Energy Shield and Life

"

homeofSummoner wrote:

"

Marxone wrote:

"

Archangel223 wrote:

I'll be honest, I'm not completely sure what you are saying. Also you can take life life Regen. Most good HP builds that aren't RF don't really need Life regen. In fact you can take 50% regen if you want to as Vaal Pact makes regen worthless anyways.

You seem to be misunderstanding what me and many others have pointed out about how much better high ES is compared to other forms of defense.

Lets say you have around 6K life, 10 Endurance charges putting you at 93% physical damage reduction, 35% chance to block, 35% chance to dodge, an immortal call that lasts 8 seconds, Fortify, and a 45% chance to evade.

Then, you have a CI character that has 16k ES, 20-25% physical Physical damage reduction, +5% max resists, cannot be stunned, and leeches ES instantly.

currently 1 of them is way more likely to die than the other. Can you guess which one?

Life build? :)

Then, you have a CI character that has 16k ES, 20-25% physical Physical damage reduction, +5% max resists, cannot be stunned, and leeches ES instantly.
Hmm is not part of my build currently and 16k ES as a Summoner r u mad? I wish!!
Have u ever played Summoner?

"

Archangel223 wrote:

You seem to be misunderstanding what me and many others have pointed out about how much better high ES is compared to other forms of defense.

Lets say you have around 6K life, 10 Endurance charges putting you at 93% physical damage reduction, 35% chance to block, 35% chance to dodge, an immortal call that lasts 8 seconds, Fortify, and a 45% chance to evade.

Then, you have a CI character that has 16k ES, 20-25% physical Physical damage reduction, +5% max resists, cannot be stunned, and leeches ES instantly.

currently 1 of them is way more likely to die than the other. Can you guess which one?

"

Hmm is not part of my build currently and 16k ES as a Summoner r u mad? I wish!!
Have u ever played Summoner?

In fact from ur character selection I can see clearly u don't play ES so how can u offer opinion ?? You play Life based characters cos u know they perform better in the end game admit it

"

the life buld is better but, you dont have a viable char with 6k because of elemntal and chaos damage. Thats partly a build problem there. Sacrifice End charges or block or evade for more life.
Were it not for the low number the life character would be much much safer though.

There is no problem with ES being better overall. Its the more currency intensive investment. It is ok that there are things in the game that are better than other things in the game.

Life builds should just be viable. And without Kaom's. Its ok for high end ES to be overall better than high end life builds.

"

Archangel223 wrote:

TL:DR, game should promote versatility and reward creativity not OP meta domination for years at a time.

"

Archangel223 wrote:

"

Hmm is not part of my build currently and 16k ES as a Summoner r u mad? I wish!!
Have u ever played Summoner?

In fact from ur character selection I can see clearly u don't play ES so how can u offer opinion ?? You play Life based characters cos u know they perform better in the end game admit it

won't lie this actually made me chuckle. Look at you huh. Regular Sherlock Holmes over here with the masterful reasoning.

It's almost as if you're unaware of the fact that I reroll my standard characters every major update? It's also as if you're unaware of the fact that all of my Assassin builds and my scion were originally ES? It's almost as if you had no idea that I deleted several witches from my account?

anyways, I believe I stated in this very thread that I didn't like how much easier the game felt playing ES.

Also, that my prefer characters and playstyle involve some form of up close combat and/or melee. I've never enjoyed range in any game I've ever played accept for maybe as a secondary skill in PVP to hit people who don't want to fight.

man...I've heard of jumping to conclusions but that was one hell of a leap slam.

"

the life buld is better but, you dont have a viable char with 6k because of elemntal and chaos damage. Thats partly a build problem there. Sacrifice End charges or block or evade for more life.
Were it not for the low number the life character would be much much safer though.

There is no problem with ES being better overall. Its the more currency intensive investment. It is ok that there are things in the game that are better than other things in the game.

Life builds should just be viable. And without Kaom's. Its ok for high end ES to be overall better than high end life builds.

I actually 100% agree. It's really difficult to build a creative character especially since most unique items don't give you anything to life and +life on all gear is a must if you hope to not suck balls later.

The point is, this game has a giant passive tree, lots of cool items and seemingly endless possibilities accept it really doesn't.

What Path of Exile is really and has been for awhile is an illusion of freedom and choice. You can create whatever you want but creating a build that can do everything really limits your options. Especially as a life based build.

With that said, I feel like these changes to ES are a tad bit over the top. I thought giving ES builds Vaal Pact was a problem. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing more life nodes on the right side of the tree. Also wouldn't mind seeing some jewels that convert ES to life. Hell I wouldn't even mind seeing more ES on the left/bottom of the skill tree. I enjoy versatility. Everyone should be free to play what they like and navigate their way towards a successful version without being forced in one direction.

TL:DR, game should promote versatility and reward creativity not OP meta domination for years at a time.

"

Archangel223 wrote:

"

Hmm is not part of my build currently and 16k ES as a Summoner r u mad? I wish!!
Have u ever played Summoner?

In fact from ur character selection I can see clearly u don't play ES so how can u offer opinion ?? You play Life based characters cos u know they perform better in the end game admit it

won't lie this actually made me chuckle. Look at you huh. Regular Sherlock Holmes over here with the masterful reasoning.

It's almost as if you're unaware of the fact that I reroll my standard characters every major update? It's also as if you're unaware of the fact that all of my Assassin builds and my scion were originally ES? It's almost as if you had no idea that I deleted several witches from my account?

anyways, I believe I stated in this very thread that I didn't like how much easier the game felt playing ES.

Also, that my prefer characters and playstyle involve some form of up close combat and/or melee. I've never enjoyed range in any game I've ever played accept for maybe as a secondary skill in PVP to hit people who don't want to fight.

man...I've heard of jumping to conclusions but that was one hell of a leap slam.

"

the life buld is better but, you dont have a viable char with 6k because of elemntal and chaos damage. Thats partly a build problem there. Sacrifice End charges or block or evade for more life.
Were it not for the low number the life character would be much much safer though.

There is no problem with ES being better overall. Its the more currency intensive investment. It is ok that there are things in the game that are better than other things in the game.

Life builds should just be viable. And without Kaom's. Its ok for high end ES to be overall better than high end life builds.

I actually 100% agree. It's really difficult to build a creative character especially since most unique items don't give you anything to life and +life on all gear is a must if you hope to not suck balls later.

The point is, this game has a giant passive tree, lots of cool items and seemingly endless possibilities accept it really doesn't.

What Path of Exile is really and has been for awhile is an illusion of freedom and choice. You can create whatever you want but creating a build that can do everything really limits your options. Especially as a life based build.

With that said, I feel like these changes to ES are a tad bit over the top. I thought giving ES builds Vaal Pact was a problem. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing more life nodes on the right side of the tree. Also wouldn't mind seeing some jewels that convert ES to life. Hell I wouldn't even mind seeing more ES on the left/bottom of the skill tree. I enjoy versatility. Everyone should be free to play what they like and navigate their way towards a successful version without being forced in one direction.

TL:DR, game should promote versatility and reward creativity not OP meta domination for years at a time.