Field of Dreams: If You Post It, They Will Come (with pitchforks)

You set rules like this.

#1 everyone has to have an open character tab

#2 all non blockable non dodgeable skills are not allowed whatsoever

#3 You should record your matches and submit any disputes you have to whoever wants to run this ladder

#4 As time goes on and we discover more and more broken shit that GGG won't fix we simply ban it from being used. (you want to PvP with that cool new skill that GGG just released go do it in sarn arena)

#5 A draw is a loss for both people

Or we set Judges who volunteer to spectate PvP matches. Matches only start when the judge says GO! this gives the judge time to look over each person's open profile to make sure the match is fair before they anything starts. That's why this kind of thing is usually best done in a discord channel, you can see what PvPers are online organize a match grab a judge and get to it. Markuz is smart he could probably make a website to host a ladder and then we make commands in the discord chat for the bot like !1v1 Rupenus Vs Dethklok 5-3 the bot record this on the website and if I think rupe is cheating ill upload a vod and someone can look it over and change the match to a NC or a loss for the cheater.

Broken skills/builds will be apparent by looking at the ladder statistics we dont have to take everyones feedback into account when setting the rules. It should just start with the obvious things and then you can balance over time.

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philophil wrote:

Well i think that it is a very good idea honestly.

But, it would be really hard to do the same in POE for 2 reasons.

RULES: How could we (The small PVP group) agree on rules to respect, cuz obviously some stuff need to be nerf/remove but others enjoy abusing them or would ague that its fair using those.

RESPECTING THE RULES: I don't see anyway possible to make sure that no one is cheating the rule if we are banning some mechanic or some item (could be solve by pvp must have open profile) but it would not be a 100% effective way cuz we all know about all the gears swap ppl have.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1711835

It's not about banning some things, its about banning all of them.

Edit: The biggest problem would be agreeing on the terms. Some things are clear and acceptable for everyone to ban, the most broken ones, but there are many many borderline items/skills which would only cause losing players, some because we banned what they like, some because we didn't ban they hated. And doing this over time makes it even worse, once people have established working builds, and then banning the thing it's built around.

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ocd_xana wrote:

I mean, no amount of bitching about EA ever stopped Lib from using it.

Well, I successfully made her do a build other than EA, since playing like... ever?

i came up in the past with such idea everybody was against me, well my reputation is not the best for sure, but at least listen to dethklok or anyone else and make this happen.

I'd be legitimately curious to see what ruleset we could come up it that would mostly please everybody.

just ban unblockable shit, that's all. when i said this, lapiz and some others said, block and acro is OP in this game too. o really? let the pvp rot then who cares.

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Rupenus wrote:

just ban unblockable shit, that's all. when i said this, lapiz and some others said, block and acro is OP in this game too. o really? let the pvp rot then who cares.

Block and acro are only OP because there's a shitton of ways to heal back to full. Crazy leech, flasks, regen, etc.


You guys are probably tired of hearing me say this, but for any PvP to work, damage needs to stick.

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Márkusz wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1711835

That was a good idea too, I know i didnt make it to the first one but if it was a regular thing I would be inclined to participate.

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Simplesim45 wrote:

I'd be legitimately curious to see what ruleset we could come up it that would mostly please everybody.

You dont have to please everyone most people loose to something and cry OP then later on someone figures out how to deal with it and suddenly its not so OP. Just set something close to the ruleset I listed and go from there. I know I missed a few things like some cwdt setups and zerphis but things like Berserker leech or vinktars have counters. For the most part the rules get set by whoever wants to run this thing if you dont like the rules you either deal with it or dont participate because your only other option would be the GGG ladder. The things that are on the edge of OP or not will be found out over time and the person running the ladder can update the rules. If someone makes a character thats unkillable then they most likely suck at catching up to their opponents and killing them which means all their matches would result in a loss so in the end the ladder would sort itself out.

all we gotta do is then, banning legacy flasks and unblockable skills. that'd be all. any counter arguments on this?

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Rupenus wrote:

all we gotta do is then, banning legacy flasks and unblockable skills. that'd be all. any counter arguments on this?

And you.

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Actalo wrote:

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Rupenus wrote:

all we gotta do is then, banning legacy flasks and unblockable skills. that'd be all. any counter arguments on this?

And you.

you obviously try harder and be more creative to make me trigger