[3.17] For Slayer / Champion - Ngamahu Cyclone / Consecrated Path / Tectonic Slam

Would Atziri's Promise be a good idea for this build? Just thought I would ask because Avatar of Fire would convert half the damage that comes from the flask.

~ty
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mattislouie wrote:
Would Atziri's Promise be a good idea for this build? Just thought I would ask because Avatar of Fire would convert half the damage that comes from the flask.

~ty

You don't gain much from Atziri's Promise. The leech does not benefit you because you don't deal Chaos damage.
Hey!

At the moment (Level 63), I am dealing 17k DPS with golem and ancestral warcheif up.

To be able to do T15 maps or end game contents, what is the DPS I should be looking at?
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tristanity wrote:
Hey!

At the moment (Level 63), I am dealing 17k DPS with golem and ancestral warcheif up.

To be able to do T15 maps or end game contents, what is the DPS I should be looking at?

On my SSF guy, my Cyclone is dealing 63K (concentrated gem) and Molten Burst is dealing 8K damage. I have not gotten a T15 map to drop but I feel I have enough damage to do it.

Also note that I do not own Xoph's Blood amulet in SSF (still trying to farm for 1). With Xoph's Blood, I expect my damage to be around 80K for Cyclone, and 10K for Molten Burst.
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tristanity wrote:
Hey!

At the moment (Level 63), I am dealing 17k DPS with golem and ancestral warcheif up.

To be able to do T15 maps or end game contents, what is the DPS I should be looking at?


I have 83.500 dmg on cyclone when fortify is up, 12500 dmg from molter burst. So 12.5k * 7 * 2.82(molten burst aps) * 1.3(30% fire penetration) + 83500 = ~398k dps. So im not having any problems with any boss and i didnt get 12% increased attack speed yet from my tree (1 lvl left).
Last edited by areukiddingme#6464 on Apr 3, 2017, 3:42:53 AM
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kira1414 wrote:

Ouch! A death not to elemental reflect but I guess the Blast Rain explosions on a T15 Shaped Quay are just too deadly. There is no way you can react to that since they all explode (and not visually visible) at the same time (almost).


I did this boss many many times before and he never even got me below 90% HP.
In this case though, it was a combination of many things coming together.
Before I die you see me actually drop kind of low to the blast rain:
https://i.imgur.com/MA3jKWD.jpg

This is simply due to the fact that this map had the reduced life recover mod, so my leech couldnt
really keep up with the damage, but it was still manageable.

But then when the rare mobs spawned, they rolled an elemental reflect, as can be seen here:
http://i.imgur.com/VhDoeoQ.jpg
You can see the outline of the elemental reflect aura.

This would also still not have been enough to kill me probably, but there was also a Soul Conduit Mob, which revived the Ele Reflect one which meant that I essentially went through its HP twice.

So yeah, high Boss dmg + Low Life Leech + High Elemental Reflect Damage killed me in the end. :)

Will now upload the videos I mentioned before and post again. :)
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Bymen wrote:
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kira1414 wrote:

Ouch! A death not to elemental reflect but I guess the Blast Rain explosions on a T15 Shaped Quay are just too deadly. There is no way you can react to that since they all explode (and not visually visible) at the same time (almost).


I did this boss many many times before and he never even got me below 90% HP.
In this case though, it was a combination of many things coming together.
Before I die you see me actually drop kind of low to the blast rain:
https://i.imgur.com/MA3jKWD.jpg

This is simply due to the fact that this map had the reduced life recover mod, so my leech couldnt
really keep up with the damage, but it was still manageable.

But then when the rare mobs spawned, they rolled an elemental reflect, as can be seen here:
http://i.imgur.com/VhDoeoQ.jpg
You can see the outline of the elemental reflect aura.

This would also still not have been enough to kill me probably, but there was also a Soul Conduit Mob, which revived the Ele Reflect one which meant that I essentially went through its HP twice.

So yeah, high Boss dmg + Low Life Leech + High Elemental Reflect Damage killed me in the end. :)

Will now upload the videos I mentioned before and post again. :)


Why u was playing without Vaal Pact?U have so much hp, i have only 6.1k and this boss cant even hit 15% hp as his shaped version(t15)
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areukiddingme wrote:

Why u was playing without Vaal Pact?U have so much hp, i have only 6.1k and this boss cant even hit 15% hp as his shaped version(t15)


Normally u dont need Vaal Pact as Slayer. But as I said. The "less recovery of health"-mod is pretty significant. I underestimated it.
Ok, so the videos are now online.
I did not have time to edit them in any way, so they will just be the complete run every time.
But you can just skip ahead to the actual boss fight for each video.

Please keep in mind that I attempted almost all of those bosses for the very first time.
It really shows in Shaper's Phase 3, where I was completely overwhelmed. :)

Sadly I do not have Zana in Standard, so for the fights where I did have to refresh my flasks, it takes a little bit longer. :(

I did not change my flask setup for any of the fights, so this could all be done way more efficient.
I just used my normal mapping flask setup for all the bosses.

Videos

Esh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWLFcVxLGA
Pretty easy fight. I just played it a little too recklessly which dropped me very low at one point.

Xoph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24XZwRqVoEY
Easy fight for this build.

Tul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqdvERCXzN4
Also pretty easy. I did not even dodge his most deadly attack properly and was still fine.

Uul-Netol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fffhwajUJN4
Almost as easy as Xoph. Really not too much to worry about with this build.
I probably didn't even have to refresh my flasks there.

Chayula:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMIORg4eb0
This fight is pretty hard with -60% chaos resist. Even though I did manage to kill him without dying, I would not recommend doing him on HC with this build/flasks setup/chaos resistances. :)

Chimera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-IDZODGns
Overall very easy to handle. The only time you actually lose life is when he goes into his smoke cloud phase, where it took me a little longer than necessary to find him, because I wasn't quick enough due to my lack of experience.
Although it should be mentioned that I ran this as a white map, because I simply forgot to roll it. :)

Hydra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p-hbi-hMYc
Also very easy in my opinion. Even though I think I do a pretty good job of dodging her abilites, I think that you can even play this fight a lot more sloppy and still be fine. The map has 40% Extra Elemental Resistance mod so it takes a bit longer to kill her.

Phoenix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDba-Psp-s
I think that Phoenix and Minotaur are significantly harder for this build than the other two guardians simply because of their one shot potential. You can see that I was a little bit too slow one time and it almost killed me. As a cyclone build you do not have control over your character 100% of the time and those few milliseconds delay before you can react can actually matter. :)

Minotaur:
Was not recorded for some reason. Will update later.

Atziri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9CVFKClDs
Shouldn't come as a surprise that this is very easy. Everything just dies way too quickly.

Uber Atziri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugcnw88ULkc
Uber Atziri is of course a different story. :)
The Vaals went pretty smooth and I think that you can kill them like this pretty consistently every time. The trio is actually also not a big problem. I just forgot about the mechanic of the fire guy, that you cannot attack him when he is buffed. Doh! :)
Atziri herself I actually played pretty bad. But yeah, the fact remains that you can die if you only screw up once (I even got lucky a few times when I got hit by a flameblast and survived). I have a different strategy in mind which I will try and let you know how it went. It is certainly doable deathless but other builds are far more suited for this fight. :)

Shaper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nHBtUx4yLk
Yeah well, what can I say. Considering the difficulty of this fight I didn't really expect to get far on my first attempt. Because of that I was pretty surprised how well it all went.
But then I got to phase 3...
Just watch for yourselves, I suck. :)
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Bymen wrote:

I did this boss many many times before and he never even got me below 90% HP.
In this case though, it was a combination of many things coming together.
Before I die you see me actually drop kind of low to the blast rain:
https://i.imgur.com/MA3jKWD.jpg

This is simply due to the fact that this map had the reduced life recover mod, so my leech couldnt
really keep up with the damage, but it was still manageable.

But then when the rare mobs spawned, they rolled an elemental reflect, as can be seen here:
http://i.imgur.com/VhDoeoQ.jpg
You can see the outline of the elemental reflect aura.

This would also still not have been enough to kill me probably, but there was also a Soul Conduit Mob, which revived the Ele Reflect one which meant that I essentially went through its HP twice.

So yeah, high Boss dmg + Low Life Leech + High Elemental Reflect Damage killed me in the end. :)

Will now upload the videos I mentioned before and post again. :)

Ah yes. Saw the reflect aura in the second image. I suppose in HC, Sibyl's Lament ring + Primeval Force will be essential in handling Elemental Reflect. And not to mention skipping maps with "Less Life and Energy Shield Recovery".

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Bymen wrote:
Ok, so the videos are now online.
I did not have time to edit them in any way, so they will just be the complete run every time.
But you can just skip ahead to the actual boss fight for each video.

Please keep in mind that I attempted almost all of those bosses for the very first time.
It really shows in Shaper's Phase 3, where I was completely overwhelmed. :)

Sadly I do not have Zana in Standard, so for the fights where I did have to refresh my flasks, it takes a little bit longer. :(

I did not change my flask setup for any of the fights, so this could all be done way more efficient.
I just used my normal mapping flask setup for all the bosses.

Videos

Esh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToWLFcVxLGA
Pretty easy fight. I just played it a little too recklessly which dropped me very low at one point.

Xoph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24XZwRqVoEY
Easy fight for this build.

Tul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqdvERCXzN4
Also pretty easy. I did not even dodge his most deadly attack properly and was still fine.

Uul-Netol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fffhwajUJN4
Almost as easy as Xoph. Really not too much to worry about with this build.
I probably didn't even have to refresh my flasks there.

Chayula:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMIORg4eb0
This fight is pretty hard with -60% chaos resist. Even though I did manage to kill him without dying, I would not recommend doing him on HC with this build/flasks setup/chaos resistances. :)

Chimera:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-IDZODGns
Overall very easy to handle. The only time you actually lose life is when he goes into his smoke cloud phase, where it took me a little longer than necessary to find him, because I wasn't quick enough due to my lack of experience.
Although it should be mentioned that I ran this as a white map, because I simply forgot to roll it. :)

Hydra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p-hbi-hMYc
Also very easy in my opinion. Even though I think I do a pretty good job of dodging her abilites, I think that you can even play this fight a lot more sloppy and still be fine. The map has 40% Extra Elemental Resistance mod so it takes a bit longer to kill her.

Phoenix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDba-Psp-s
I think that Phoenix and Minotaur are significantly harder for this build than the other two guardians simply because of their one shot potential. You can see that I was a little bit too slow one time and it almost killed me. As a cyclone build you do not have control over your character 100% of the time and those few milliseconds delay before you can react can actually matter. :)

Minotaur:
Was not recorded for some reason. Will update later.

Atziri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ9CVFKClDs
Shouldn't come as a surprise that this is very easy. Everything just dies way too quickly.

Uber Atziri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugcnw88ULkc
Uber Atziri is of course a different story. :)
The Vaals went pretty smooth and I think that you can kill them like this pretty consistently every time. The trio is actually also not a big problem. I just forgot about the mechanic of the fire guy, that you cannot attack him when he is buffed. Doh! :)
Atziri herself I actually played pretty bad. But yeah, the fact remains that you can die if you only screw up once (I even got lucky a few times when I got hit by a flameblast and survived). I have a different strategy in mind which I will try and let you know how it went. It is certainly doable deathless but other builds are far more suited for this fight. :)

Shaper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nHBtUx4yLk
Yeah well, what can I say. Considering the difficulty of this fight I didn't really expect to get far on my first attempt. Because of that I was pretty surprised how well it all went.
But then I got to phase 3...
Just watch for yourselves, I suck. :)

For first attempts, I am very impressed by your game play. I can see why you are able to level your guy to 96 in HC. :)

I have included your game play videos in the main guide. Thanks again for uploading the videos!

EDIT: Btw, video on Tul fight appears to be unavailable. You might want to repost the link?
Last edited by kira1414#3753 on Apr 3, 2017, 12:36:50 PM

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