What is possibly best end-game build? (with unlimited budget)

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Márkusz wrote:

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İ will tell these things to the developers and hope we will get a solution

Oh that's so cute :'D

Phil, even in sarn there are so many places to wall/floor spam it can own the whole middle area with the hill. What I would point out wrong in runaway's summary is the quill rain (excluding the zerphi abuse), because EA has be already adjusted in T value for that attack speed, and the offscreen is somewhat limited compared to other skills because the projectiles don't explode if they don't hit something at the end of their range.

Rlowe, let's be real, top builds in PvP all exploit and abuse something. You can try to purposely avoid all the bad stuff, and stay pure, but you are just limiting your viability. BTW what happened between you and npc that you spread hate towards it everywhere? I lack some good drama recently, please elaborate.

I'll fill you in later once I'm home from work. I don't want to type this shit out on my phone, but still brace yourself.

As for top builds, I understand they all use some sort of mechanics exploit, but for them to solely RELY on them to win... Just seems so wrong that we've almost normalized it.

//EDIT: Alright, for anyone wondering (all two of you), here's why I'm anti-NPC. Back when I was in it, Gutbags transitioned from cyclone to EA-douchebag, despite being vehemently anti-EA at the time. Awhile after becoming a hypocrite, he brags about how small his dick is and how much he's loving EA. Someone asks what class is best for EA, I answer "Every Libertannia wannabe goes with Scion", Gutbags retorts that he could probably beat Lib. Well, someone sets up a match of Gut vs Lib. Well, Lib packs Gutbags' shit in, 4 wins to Gut's only 1. Gut throws a tantrum, leaves Girlcan/Jorge/whateverthefuck you fucking fucks know him as in charge of NPC, and actually leaves NPC in a huff. Next day, I'm glowing in his defeat (and stroking my dick with his tears, but that's not important) and talking about it to everyone, Girlcan/Jorge gets a little hurt at this and kicks me from the guild. They've lost me, and I've stayed gone ever since; the guild has had a massive decline in quality ever since. Jorgecan tried to get me back into the guild, then would resort to petty name-calling and telling me he doesn't want me back in NPC, then back to begging for me back into NPC, but since I (sorta) have integrity, I've steadfastly refused to take any part of that trainwreck.

The end. Wasn't that fun, kids?

You people do realize this guy is basically illiterate and has nothing in his replies nor playstyle to justify why PvP is so fucked up. Yet while equipped with EA,Scolds and Zerphi's is raping shit like he's a genius?

The current state of PvP is one of the most hilariously shitty troll like things anyone could ever conjure up. For anyone to try to defend any aspect of it is as hilariously shitty and troll.

The word "top"....pretty loose meaning around here. Just like "skill,good,aim,glass cannon,balanced" etc...

HEy did you see those new jewels? 75 block/spell block/dodge/spell dodge all at once possible!
Probably gonna be legacy in 2 month so only the rich fucks will get those too.
WOW I think PVP get better and better!!!!

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Head_Less wrote:

HEy did you see those new jewels? 75 block/spell block/dodge/spell dodge all at once possible!
Probably gonna be legacy in 2 month so only the rich fucks will get those too.
WOW I think PVP get better and better!!!!

i don't check new much, which jewels sir?

simplesim45 said;

''Just play Battlerite if you want to do PvP.

The PvP community here tried to keep its hopes up for 3 years or so now and it was met with little to no care by GGG. New items get introduced as well as new skills and we end up with boring 1 shot fests or infinite tanking/healing or secondary damage. There simply is no balance whatsoever.

At least in Battlerite player skill matters more than anything else.

Keep playing PoE for its PvE content because it is absolutely amazing and the best on the market. PvP here is dead.

I tried so fucking hard to get people interested in at least doing capture the flag, but the moment I stopped pestering people to join, it died. If the only way to get something fun going is to drag people by their ballsacks to play for 2-3 hours, then it's just not worth the time.''


And he is right if nothing has changed for all this time then nothing is gonna change in the future unless we do something (give the developers a reason to make change)

So i said;


''But i LOVED this game so much everything i mean the backgrounds, maps, places, everything feels so perfectly designed.. I think we should all join together and if everyone at least convinces a few of their friends to join with donations for making pvp balanced we would have a say in the matter.
You guys all of you have already invested so much of your time and shit. On the other hand i have not invested anything at all i just beginned so i have nothing to lose but you all should be more willing than me to help this game change. So as i said if we have enough investment(people who are willing to donate if they agree to take action on the matter) then we will be able to bargain with the developers against the people who are talking about pve, endgame content etc all the time. Which will get all the attention on pvp if enough people are gathered who are willing to donate. İ mean money=power=change
so we have a chance here. İ am willing to donate 100$ as the new guy who has not invested anything on the game at all and i will try to convince people too. So come on lets take some action?''


So what is your opinion guys?

So you are admitting you trolled a bit too hard those 2 people only and they conflicted you, but only those 2 people, and that is why you are now hating on a whole guild of ~40 people? That's entirely reasonable..... Well I didn't know that jorge wasn't the original leader of the guild. Ok my drama hunger is a bit satisfied now, but still not even a little moderation in the story? That's too light, you have to come up with something soon :P

Sorry for the offtopic btw. I'll try to pay my contribution soon tho, you shall see.

Sim, I always like to join some 3v3s, but sadly my time zone is too different from yours who play it the most. Also it's understandable that at league start time PvP is more dead than ever because everyone plays PvE, me too, but I at least get bored of it quite soon, so will get back to it later.

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Márkusz wrote:

So you are admitting you trolled a bit too hard those 2 people only and they conflicted you, but only those 2 people, and that is why you are now hating on a whole guild of ~40 people? That's entirely reasonable..... Well I didn't know that jorge wasn't the original leader of the guild. Ok my drama hunger is a bit satisfied now, but still not even a little moderation in the story? That's too light, you have to come up with something soon :P

Sorry for the offtopic btw. I'll try to pay my contribution soon tho, you shall see.

Sim, I always like to join some 3v3s, but sadly my time zone is too different from yours who play it the most. Also it's understandable that at league start time PvP is more dead than ever because everyone plays PvE, me too, but I at least get bored of it quite soon, so will get back to it later.

It goes a lot deeper than just that, honestly. There's an entire history of Gutbags turning into a massive shithead and all, but that has nothing to do with the rest of the guild. Point is, NPC used to have a notion of quality over quantity. That's obviously fallen wayside. It's not an opinion, just an objective statement based on observation; most of NPC seems composed of builds created around mechanics exploits.

As for 3v3s, I personally haven't felt like doing them since pvp is in such disarray, AND because I am trying the new league, as well as trying out different builds and all.

Some worthy mentions from chris' recent video interview:

Who they value the most, some good words here, hope they keep it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9kygXtkh10&t=5m23s

This one is a bit out of context, but in short they don't even have time to do rase season now, so PvP is going even lower on the priority list. Some of us hearing these might understand these kind words very negatively after what was said and done about PvP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9kygXtkh10&t=3m17s

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Márkusz wrote:

What I would point out wrong in runaway's summary is the quill rain (excluding the zerphi abuse), because EA has be already adjusted in T value for that attack speed, and the offscreen is somewhat limited compared to other skills because the projectiles don't explode if they don't hit something at the end of their range.

The T value nerfs were not specifically targetted at quill rain ea, just at ea op'ness in general. If you remember, EA has a long history of getting nerfed through the t value, but unfortunately never through a mechanic overhaul.

When the T value damage reduction was first introduced, some friendly designer with good intentions assumed that ea would be used in pvp in accordance with the intended pve mechanic (stack arrows on 1 target, let fuse run out), so ea was given a fixed T value. The potential pvp damage with wall/floor/whatever spam was absolutely bonkers.

So ggg removed the fixed T value and let the t value depend on attack speed like as other skills. Atleast I hope they did and this is not my wishful thinking imagination playing tricks on my memory. The damage was still bonkers.

Then ggg nerfed the t value a bit to compensate for the shotgun effect of the overlapping aoe. The damage was still bonkers.

So after that ggg periodically nerfed explosive arrow a bit further, beyond what was needed to compensate for the shotgun effect alone, to the point where we are today. Ea is still the top pvp skill, but unlike long ago it does actually take some investment to make a good pvp build with it. And huge amounts of investment to make it to the point of top pvp build (totally not worth it imo).

Ea is so strong not because of it exploiting one mechanic in particular, but because of the package. All that broken stuff together + bow users in general are just in a good place right now, is what makes ea in pvp so good.

Ea is also by far the most nerfed skill in pvp. But still being number 1 despite all those nerfs, really does tribute to how well it exploits the flaws in game mechanics. Lots of other skills had enough with 1 nerf to never be seen again.

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Márkusz wrote:

Rlowe, let's be real, top builds in PvP all exploit and abuse something. You can try to purposely avoid all the bad stuff, and stay pure, but you are just limiting your viability.

Pretty much. Which decent/good or top pvp skill does not exploit one of the flawed mechanics?