What is possibly best end-game build? (with unlimited budget)

STEP1:https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1761914

STEP2: Play that for 1 month , feel op n enjoy it.

STEP3: Get bored of everyone hating on u for playing that ( AKA all abusive stuff in 1 build minus MOM)

STEP4: Move on from pvp cuz everyone is hating cuz ur abusing op but they are all abusing something op themselve.

STEP5: Look at the hate after this comment on this forum section from everyone else cuz....

STEP6: love everyone, its not because they hate ur build that they are dumb ppl, they are just piss at GGG not fixing op shit that been out there for so long n need to be fix

PS: u won't ever get the gear for that build to shine that much :( sry

to get some piece u can PM: libs or me but...

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k4ptan wrote:

I thank you guys for your very useful answers especially markusz thanks very much. Also thanks ocd_xana for making me realize something rather important. Thank you rupenus for explaining things in my language very nicely.


However i want to add a few things here to expand on the topic after realizing something thanks to ocd_xana;

Rather than getting a specific, maybe temporarily bumped up build of the year or something,(i realized i dont want this) i want to know just what type of build (not asking specifically) would be increasingly strong later in the game especially in pvp? Like would a poison-chaos oriantated assassin with lots of critics and daggers be good for this? Or some bow-user of some type elemental maybe? İ am really glad for the answers but i would appreciate some more help please, thanks in advance.

To sum it up again, i want mostly assassin but please enlighten me about any kind of character that could be rather strong LATER in the game with end-game ++ gears compared to others in pvp.

To markusz, i find those links very useful, i had looked up 3 of them before you mentioned and other 3 seemed to be very mind broadening, thanks again :) ..

Good pvp builds in poe are about having an offence that ignores your possible opponents their possible defences as much as possible, preferably with skills that exploit flaws in ggg's skill and mechanic design, while being able to execute all this from an offscreen distance. A top pvp build will combine the previous with having a defence that is not ignored by as many as the possible opponents possible.

So the reason why everyone says EA:
1) The explosions from ea are secondary damage, they can not be blocked or dodged. [2 popular types of defence ignored]

2) Ea in pve is balanced around stacking explosions on a single enemy, with a maximum of 5 arrows per explosion (read up on ea on the wiki). Shooting arrows faster into that single enemy does not increase dps. Shooting with gmp/lmp lowers dps. UNLESS there is a wall conveniently located nearby, then you can stack arrows on the walls which entirely ignores the arrow stacking rule. This is the most popular way to play ea in pvp as well. [1 flawed game mechanic exploited]

3) Since you rely on overlapping explosions to deal damage, you circumvent the pvp damage reduction formula, which is only based on attacks per second, ignoring that 1 attack can hit multiple times. [1 flawed game mechanic exploited]

4) While ea is a ranged bow skill, the secondary damage is not considered weapon damage, so it can be used with the highest attack speed bow (quill rain) without suffering the downside of quill rain (-50% weapon damage). [1 flawed game mechanic exploited]

5) Since ea is a flat trajectory bow skill, you can shoot offscreen with it.

6) With the extremely high attack speed of quill rain and high cost of ea, you can abuse the zerphi flask to it's fullest. Healing by this flask is not leech (leech immunity doesn't stop the healing) and not life gain on hit (you don't have to hit the opponent to heal), thus this major part of the ea player's defence cannot be negated.



Now explosive arrow can of course use other powerful mechanics than the ones listed above, but those are circumstantial.

An ea player might build for dodge, block or both, but as seen above that defense is circumstantial and some opponents will ignore it. It will help the ea player to dominate non meta builds harder.

An ea player might build for crit to do huge amounts of dps, but an opponent might be wearing brass dome or use other means, thus ignore/reduce the crits. This too will help him to dominate non meta builds harder.

An ea player might abuse the out of hand stat inflation to setup an incredible burn damage setup, but an opponent might be perma ignite immune. And this brings the domination of non meta builds even further.



Ea is the best pvp skill, because it exploits the flawed design of ggg the most, while being a very convenient offscreen bow skill. There are other skills which can exploit some of the same mechanics, but not as many at the same time and not to the extents that ea can.



To make a long story short: if you want to have a good time in pvp, find another game.

İ decided on what build i will go with, i am going with king of the forest. Also the name has a nice ring to it :) , thanks all for everything..

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RunawayFixer wrote:

Good pvp builds in poe are about having an offence that ignores your possible opponents their possible defences as much as possible, preferably with skills that exploit flaws in ggg's skill and mechanic design, while being able to execute all this from an offscreen distance.

Now explosive arrow can of course use other powerful mechanics than the ones listed above, but those are circumstantial.

Ea is the best pvp skill, because it exploits the flawed design of ggg the most, while being a very convenient offscreen bow skill. There are other skills which can exploit some of the same mechanics, but not as many at the same time and not to the extents that ea can.

So yes ive erased some part of ur wall of txt to show where ur wrong about EA/pvp, the rest tho was on point.


OFFSCREEN : dunno if u have ever played a real EA pvp build cuz in therm of offscreening is ok in 1v1 but in 3v3 and CTF or sarn EA is not T1, in 3v3 Fireball will reckt u with more offscreen power/invis dmg AOE bug, also glacial cascade miner will offscreen even more then u can, in sarn if u face someone like Amazonprime,vhlad,Ccup they will offscreen/reckt u in no time with insane LA/iceshot DMG u won't even get close if ur trying to play offscreen vs those.

RIGHT WAY TO PLAY EA: EA good cuz its secondary dmg but there's only 1 good way to build it for pvp n it is AOE/att speed stacking dmg will give u alot less in the end n im not talking about crit.

CWDT: EA is uber shit in sarn in open area any tanky char will rape ur ass in no time ive seen it enough, MYGA or POWER_RENGER rapping any EA build cuz they have no where to abuse there shit. U need very good CWDT setup n defense to dominate sarn has EA, otherwise ur like all the other EA that get out of 1v1 n get reckt in sarn cuz they can't abuse AOE overlap has much has in 1v1.

EA DON'T = AUTO WIN VS skilled/experienced player, i remember when i first started, i got reckt so many time by JORGE or any NPC member cuz they know how to play, other then in 1v1 EA is only good if u really know how to play n how good is ur gears.

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k4ptan wrote:

İ decided on what build i will go with, i am going with king of the forest. Also the name has a nice ring to it :) , thanks all for everything..

poison focus build in pvp O_O

GL vs CI m8.

No no , i am not going for pvp as it is anymore :D i give up, i got it, you either go for the build that is the most crooked, broken, utilizing all kinda weird stuff that the developers have ignored(still ignoring, probably will ignore) ... that is not fun really :S . İ want all kinds of builds to have a part of the cake. Some should be good for pve, some good for supporting others (3v3 pvp or pve with party), some good for 1v1 pvp if you like to be that lone wolf who just want to be strong by himself.
However since this is not the case and only few classes dominate all the good stuff like pvp, strong for pve too, can level up early to late all the good stuff i mean wtf.. This is not fair. İ will tell these things to the developers and hope we will get a solution, until then i am not doing pvp.

HOWEVER, we need to gather i mean all of us and as Ahfack started we should continue to raise the amount of people who are willing to donate for improvement of the game(mostly pvp), the way it is now it seems everything got just too complicated and the developers need a motivation to do what we want. Thus i suggest we start a new threat, convince your friends to join the cause, i am sure they will see the point. Pvp is the most important thing this game should take shape with in the future. Or people will lose interest in the game i mean we will not be doing pve forever i hope? So lets start a new threat? Since i am the new guy, someone experienced should take the lead i guess.

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philophil wrote:

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RunawayFixer wrote:

Good pvp builds in poe are about having an offence that ignores your possible opponents their possible defences as much as possible, preferably with skills that exploit flaws in ggg's skill and mechanic design, while being able to execute all this from an offscreen distance.

Now explosive arrow can of course use other powerful mechanics than the ones listed above, but those are circumstantial.

Ea is the best pvp skill, because it exploits the flawed design of ggg the most, while being a very convenient offscreen bow skill. There are other skills which can exploit some of the same mechanics, but not as many at the same time and not to the extents that ea can.

So yes ive erased some part of ur wall of txt to show where ur wrong about EA/pvp, the rest tho was on point.


OFFSCREEN : dunno if u have ever played a real EA pvp build cuz in therm of offscreening is ok in 1v1 but in 3v3 and CTF or sarn EA is not T1, in 3v3 Fireball will reckt u with more offscreen power/invis dmg AOE bug, also glacial cascade miner will offscreen even more then u can, in sarn if u face someone like Amazonprime,vhlad,Ccup they will offscreen/reckt u in no time with insane LA/iceshot DMG u won't even get close if ur trying to play offscreen vs those.

RIGHT WAY TO PLAY EA: EA good cuz its secondary dmg but there's only 1 good way to build it for pvp n it is AOE/att speed stacking dmg will give u alot less in the end n im not talking about crit.

CWDT: EA is uber shit in sarn in open area any tanky char will rape ur ass in no time ive seen it enough, MYGA or POWER_RENGER rapping any EA build cuz they have no where to abuse there shit. U need very good CWDT setup n defense to dominate sarn has EA, otherwise ur like all the other EA that get out of 1v1 n get reckt in sarn cuz they can't abuse AOE overlap has much has in 1v1.

EA DON'T = AUTO WIN VS skilled/experienced player, i remember when i first started, i got reckt so many time by JORGE or any NPC member cuz they know how to play, other then in 1v1 EA is only good if u really know how to play n how good is ur gears.

You're kind of forgetting a few things, mainly that Arena is just for time-killing and shit. 1v1s are where you get ranking and shit.

The real right way to play EA is just wallspam or floorspam from the elevated area, not much more to it. Even the edges of the map are areas to floorspam if you position your cursor just right

All things said though, offscreen is just as bad as EA for pvp

As for your final bit, yes, EA doesn't always mean you're going to win, but using NPC as a point of reference is completely wrong. Only a fraction of that guild really knows how to play; the guild is largely a massive shitshow since I took off. Most of the guild is just players using exploits or no-skill mechanics, let's be real. If you see some mechanic being exploited or being abused, nine times out of ten it's an NPC member doing it. It has some good good players like Ahfack and Myg but for the most part, NPC is the McDonald's of pvp.

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İ will tell these things to the developers and hope we will get a solution

Oh that's so cute :'D

Phil, even in sarn there are so many places to wall/floor spam it can own the whole middle area with the hill. What I would point out wrong in runaway's summary is the quill rain (excluding the zerphi abuse), because EA has be already adjusted in T value for that attack speed, and the offscreen is somewhat limited compared to other skills because the projectiles don't explode if they don't hit something at the end of their range.

Rlowe, let's be real, top builds in PvP all exploit and abuse something. You can try to purposely avoid all the bad stuff, and stay pure, but you are just limiting your viability. BTW what happened between you and npc that you spread hate towards it everywhere? I lack some good drama recently, please elaborate.

here's some good dramam materiel:


EA need to be buff, not strong enough can't offscreen LA/iceshot.