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Scorching Ray now deals 10% more damage at gem level 20
Maybe i'll try this out :D
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I have been playing for 3 years and the game just get easier every patch. So I don't quite understand the qqs about nerf.
Just any random build is perfectly fine to reach mid tier map besides some odd map mods.
Just take any random elemental spell, get damage + cast speed enough life or es and some random extra effect such as chain for the lulz and you can just reach level 85+ easily.
Take any melee skill and link it with multistrike/weapon elemental damage + melee physical + added fire damage and hatred aura and you can reach 15k dps with a garbage weapon.
The damage comes for free with ascendancy, you barely need any damage node from the tree. You just need to hunt HP ES and some cool notable and you re set for any build which limits how much you can screw up.
Thanks to the master introduction crafting decent equipments is a walk in the park.
Need to cap res? Just ask Haku and Elreon to craft the res you miss on each equip.
Don't get me started on essences.
When I started to play people literally couldn't get past vaal in act 2 merciless or even touch map without dying every 2 sec. Drops were lower, you had to rely entirely on RNG for equips, you had less hp, less skill.
Anyone remember those endless ledge, dock or fellshrine farms? I don't think anyone does it anymore since the game is so easy now. Map parties are just about saving currency and not about hugging each other to avoid getting slaughtered by a golem rolling
I don't really know how GGG can fix it. The only way to get killed is through one shot or extreme monster rolls so just increasing mob damage won't make it better. Character building isn't interesting as you only have to chase hp/es nodes and grab some cute keystones along the way. Optimization isn t even necessary. Atlas remake wasn't enough GGG needs to figure out something more global.
But I heard most people don't even reach merciless difficulty so ...
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Posted byeight_bamboos#7670on Nov 30, 2016, 3:56:49 AM
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Bex_GGG wrote:
Content Update 2.5.0
The Breach Challenge League:
- Reduced monster pack density in the Twilight Strand slightly.
Finally... Was so hard to get through this zone, especially in races.
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Posted bySteamBuggy#1209on Nov 30, 2016, 4:05:04 AM
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Where's the ES, aura/support, & Minion love? :(
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Posted bybvanharjr#5617on Nov 30, 2016, 4:05:11 AM
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mrwk420 wrote:
seeing alot of butt hurt players posting here, makes me lol hard. What makes me lol even harder is the ppl threatening to not buy supporter packs or threatening to quit playing the game... kind of reminds me of the "famous" ppl who threatened to leave the U.S. if trump got elected...yet not one of them left.
KEKE
i think this is the best comment here! some ppl hold all best item and cant sell them anymore
My opinion : dont hold every good things, just share them with other poor guys like me, and you will feel happy
GGG just want to balance the game.
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Posted byTHANHPOE#0096on Nov 30, 2016, 4:05:35 AM
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I just had an amusing thought... what if the GGG developers get a huge kick out of provoking whiners? By that I mean, what if they intentionally leave a few skills overpowered so a bunch of people rebuild, plan combos, trick out their characters, and invest time and energy... then deflate the skills or depower the items and watch in amusement as players with weak emotional stability flip out?
I kind of hope that is the case, because otherwise those poor men and women must find these vitriolic posts extremely frustrating.
As an aside, that was one heck of a hit to Blade Vortex!
Unless my math is off, it's reduced to something like 1/32th of it's original dps.
I pity the folks that put all their eggs in *that* basket.
[Edit] My math was off. I was using the old 2hps calculations, and was double counting # of hits. I was waaay off. Turns out BV is getting buffed!
Also, I have reams of sympathy for the poor mjolnir builders. Last time around we saw a whopping 80-90% reduction in offensive capabilities of mjolnir discharge, and now another 60% hit with more than double the cooldown. That was a bit surprise to me - I haven't been seeing anyone wielding Thor's hammer in months.
Love the boosts to golems. I always wanted to play tri-golem with clay shapers, and now I think I might give it another shot. Or maybe 2 golems and a scourge so I can have a spell backup.
Anyway, psyched to see what these Essences are all about. Gotta go find myself a primer...
[addendum] I am very surprised to see Blade Flurry nearly intact. Since they started dropping in the permanent leagues all the mapping parties have one or two BFers who tear through T15/T16 bosses faster than the old Frost Wall + Kinetic blasters. Blade Flurry is going to be THE skill for Breach, for sure.
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Posted bythurmack#0592on Nov 30, 2016, 4:12:25 AM
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Brosephiroth wrote:
So, some serious builds and items have been nerfed, or should I say "WILL" be nerfed in a couple days.
Let's take a look at a couple reasons why and what GGG could have done differently, if possible.
We're all familiar with Mjolner and cospri's malice by now right? Yes, yes? I'm assuming MOST of us have dabbled with either item at one point or another. The builds that come with these items have a general consensus of being "fun" right? Right! Well, why do these items make the game fun or why did they used to make the game more fun? RIP mjolner/cospri's :( :(
I'll tell you why! Because, it makes the game colorful! Yes folks, you heard it. Nothing satisfies me more than a good discharge. *giggity*
But, it's a little more than that. It's fast paced, i'm an athletic guy, I'm used to fast paced things. to me, cospri's and the old mjolner were manifestations in game of how I play sports IRL (no i don't mean discharging on people, ew...). I just mean getting from point A to point B as quickly as possible to score.
But I digress, I don't wholeheartedly disagree with GGG, in some ways i think they're right in nerfing them both.
However, in my opinion it's an incredibly stupid move marketing wise. Like one of the worst business decisions I've ever seen.
FOR EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This makes the game look cool, interesting and draws peoples attention. This is something that'd get someone to play the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8oz52aAopA
then you have something like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA7IrpYEwDA
So my question to ggg is, why not just buff all the skills and spells to compete with a triggered discharge? While making the game inherently more difficult... I mean gear wise there's like a 4 exalt difference mostly due to cospri's malice. So why such a drastic clearspeed difference? Well, the games' not balanced lel, if it were there wouldn't be so many people playing cospri's discharge.
How can ggg balance the game? Well, I've been an avid gamer for the past 25 years, if they're really interested in balancing the game, they know how to contact me :3.
Now, i know a lot of you are going to say "well BUILDS LIKE COSPRI'S TRIVIALIZES THE GAME" Hahahaha, my friend, you can make MOST builds trivialize the game with the right amount of currency invested. But, they're just not as fun in my opinion.
I also find it unfair how GGG bankrupted a lot of people with legacy Mjolner's. If you're planning to ruin an item in the future GGG, please just remove the item from the loot table. Like this whole facebreakers 45% crit multi. Just remove facebreakers from the game completely. Because they're too op.
Obviously i'm being facetious. But you know what i mean? Now my crappy 600% facebreakers will be worth several exalts instead of a couple alts.
Forreal, if a summoner has, can, and always will be able to summon effectively since closed beta, and can be played since closed beta, so there's a sort of comfortability in playing it. Why must other builds not follow that same train of thought? GGG's like "Nah, you can't like this discharge, you're not allowed to like it. It's too good". and there are thousands of people that are like "bravo GGG, you tell em, you hit 'em where it hurts" meanwhile the majority of these people are terrible players who can't make more than a few exalts per league.
All I'm really saying is, if the game were more balanced, the quantity of people playing discharge would be less, and the need to nerf such an item/build wouldn't arise because of it.
This isn't just true about discharge either, it's true about everything considered "op". Instead of labeling it op and nerfing it, we as a community as a whole should be looking at "WHY" these things are op, why they're considered OP, what type of players consider it op. If it's even OP to begin with, or are the other abilities just that underwhelming?. These are some of the better questions we should be asking. I just feel like the right questions aren't being asked which is leading to a boring easy game. If builds are trivializing the game, ggg has to work with intelligent players to come up with resolutions as to not negatively effect people's gaming experience. Cause right now I'm up a few ex from those facebreakers, but i'm down like 180 exalt from the other changes which IS negatively impacting my gaming experience.
if only it were that complicated. No, the reason is gamers have gotten lazy over the years. Everything is about one shotting now. everything is about speed and the best meta. Who just plays games anymore? No instead people flock to the web to have all the answers handed to them.
Id like to hear from the creators of these builds. Id like to hear what their thoughts on the nerf are. I bet most of the creators of nerfed builds just shrug and go back to making another...
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Posted bysafety2nd#6862on Nov 30, 2016, 4:13:57 AM
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So get ready for league of ES again.... yay....
And since we r on it. Great new map mods wich fck over eva/dodge/armor builds and let Es builds go on as usual...
How can ANY1 in your office think the situation on this is fine right now?
A troll nerf/buff on BF and SR, no1 will even notice and no srs buffs to underwhelming skills.
Realy disappointed overall, but lets c how it pans out I gues.
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Posted byRebornKing#1480on Nov 30, 2016, 4:18:27 AM
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THANHPOE wrote:
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mrwk420 wrote:
seeing alot of butt hurt players posting here, makes me lol hard. What makes me lol even harder is the ppl threatening to not buy supporter packs or threatening to quit playing the game... kind of reminds me of the "famous" ppl who threatened to leave the U.S. if trump got elected...yet not one of them left.
KEKE
i think this is the best comment here! some ppl hold all best item and cant sell them anymore
My opinion : dont hold every good things, just share them with other poor guys like me, and you will feel happy
GGG just want to balance the game.
Bla bla bla...
You guys just very slow players...
If you think a bit you find out that this game looks like offline single player game now.
Same result, you spend time to get something from ligue, it goes to standard (and everybody know standard is trash place only to test some think). Moreover it tend to be wiped out with nefer.
No difference no effort to collect items and currency, same think u play offline game and then its become bored and you stop.
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Posted byEmperor_home#1331on Nov 30, 2016, 4:20:46 AM
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safety2nd wrote:
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Brosephiroth wrote:
So, some serious builds and items have been nerfed, or should I say "WILL" be nerfed in a couple days.
Let's take a look at a couple reasons why and what GGG could have done differently, if possible.
We're all familiar with Mjolner and cospri's malice by now right? Yes, yes? I'm assuming MOST of us have dabbled with either item at one point or another. The builds that come with these items have a general consensus of being "fun" right? Right! Well, why do these items make the game fun or why did they used to make the game more fun? RIP mjolner/cospri's :( :(
I'll tell you why! Because, it makes the game colorful! Yes folks, you heard it. Nothing satisfies me more than a good discharge. *giggity*
But, it's a little more than that. It's fast paced, i'm an athletic guy, I'm used to fast paced things. to me, cospri's and the old mjolner were manifestations in game of how I play sports IRL (no i don't mean discharging on people, ew...). I just mean getting from point A to point B as quickly as possible to score.
But I digress, I don't wholeheartedly disagree with GGG, in some ways i think they're right in nerfing them both.
However, in my opinion it's an incredibly stupid move marketing wise. Like one of the worst business decisions I've ever seen.
FOR EXAMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This makes the game look cool, interesting and draws peoples attention. This is something that'd get someone to play the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8oz52aAopA
then you have something like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA7IrpYEwDA
So my question to ggg is, why not just buff all the skills and spells to compete with a triggered discharge? While making the game inherently more difficult... I mean gear wise there's like a 4 exalt difference mostly due to cospri's malice. So why such a drastic clearspeed difference? Well, the games' not balanced lel, if it were there wouldn't be so many people playing cospri's discharge.
How can ggg balance the game? Well, I've been an avid gamer for the past 25 years, if they're really interested in balancing the game, they know how to contact me :3.
Now, i know a lot of you are going to say "well BUILDS LIKE COSPRI'S TRIVIALIZES THE GAME" Hahahaha, my friend, you can make MOST builds trivialize the game with the right amount of currency invested. But, they're just not as fun in my opinion.
I also find it unfair how GGG bankrupted a lot of people with legacy Mjolner's. If you're planning to ruin an item in the future GGG, please just remove the item from the loot table. Like this whole facebreakers 45% crit multi. Just remove facebreakers from the game completely. Because they're too op.
Obviously i'm being facetious. But you know what i mean? Now my crappy 600% facebreakers will be worth several exalts instead of a couple alts.
Forreal, if a summoner has, can, and always will be able to summon effectively since closed beta, and can be played since closed beta, so there's a sort of comfortability in playing it. Why must other builds not follow that same train of thought? GGG's like "Nah, you can't like this discharge, you're not allowed to like it. It's too good". and there are thousands of people that are like "bravo GGG, you tell em, you hit 'em where it hurts" meanwhile the majority of these people are terrible players who can't make more than a few exalts per league.
All I'm really saying is, if the game were more balanced, the quantity of people playing discharge would be less, and the need to nerf such an item/build wouldn't arise because of it.
This isn't just true about discharge either, it's true about everything considered "op". Instead of labeling it op and nerfing it, we as a community as a whole should be looking at "WHY" these things are op, why they're considered OP, what type of players consider it op. If it's even OP to begin with, or are the other abilities just that underwhelming?. These are some of the better questions we should be asking. I just feel like the right questions aren't being asked which is leading to a boring easy game. If builds are trivializing the game, ggg has to work with intelligent players to come up with resolutions as to not negatively effect people's gaming experience. Cause right now I'm up a few ex from those facebreakers, but i'm down like 180 exalt from the other changes which IS negatively impacting my gaming experience.
if only it were that complicated. No, the reason is gamers have gotten lazy over the years. Everything is about one shotting now. everything is about speed and the best meta. Who just plays games anymore? No instead people flock to the web to have all the answers handed to them.
Id like to hear from the creators of these builds. Id like to hear what their thoughts on the nerf are. I bet most of the creators of nerfed builds just shrug and go back to making another...
The regular streamers have already commented, the overwhelming response is "its not so bad". People here are just incapable of understanding because they actually have no clue how things work. they just copy other peoples tree and spam that mouse button.
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Posted byChalace#3728on Nov 30, 2016, 4:21:01 AM
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