Mechanical Questions Thread

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asghanrs wrote:

Also in this topic of "Hit and zero damage" applied effects, what about Poison and Bleed effects ? Would hitting a tarde with a skill apply a Zero Damage Stack of Poison ? Or a Poison needs to do 1 damage to exist as a stack ?

An ailment that would have no effect is not applied at all. This is relevant for the purpose of modifiers "against poisoned enemies" and such, or on the player side "while bleeding" and so on.

"No effect" here means:

Bleeding, Poison, or Ignite which would deal zero total damage,
Shock with less than 1% increased damage taken,
Chill with less than 1% reduced action speed,
Freeze with less than 0.3 second duration.

Remember that PoE always rounds down, so a shock with 0.9% damage taken is not applied.

This cut-off is done after taking into account any ailment effect/damage modifiers (e.g. Beacon of Ruin means you can Shock with 1 lightning damage taken by the enemy).

Finally note that this only applies to ailments: effects that are not ailments are sometimes applied even if they would deal no damage (e.g. Scorching Ray, Cold Snap).



To answer your question directly: with Ancestral Bond, you can not apply any ailments by doing damage. You can still apply them through other means however, such as Vessel of Vinktar (shock), or Arctic Armor (chill). I don't believe there is any way to inflict Bleeding or Poison in such a way though.

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Ragnarök511 wrote:

Hi there, i got a question about dual wielding and charged dash.
You read something different everywhere. Somewhere it states that every second attack deals the damage, sometimes both weapons deal damage...
Can some one clear this up for me?

Charged Dash emits pulses of damage along its path at half your attack rate. So if you can make 2 attacks per second with Charged Dash, you will get one pulse every second.

Each pulse hits with both your main hand and off hand weapon simultaneously. I don't know if it is one hit with the damage of both weapons combined, or two separate hits. In practice this should only matter for applying ailments and for mitigation by armor (the latter should almost never be an issue in PvE combat with reasonable damage numbers).

Edit: See discussion below.

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Megalomanka wrote:

Blade vortex viable for high tier maps?

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spacedragon19 wrote:

I new i these game still learning strings/mechanic of gameplay. Build is witch i got forzen blast and ar with hearld ofthunder and ice disciple stil in search for items with enogh slots for support gems i want or consider to use - unbound aillments, greater projectile (for FB), elemental poliferation, charge critt, incresaed crit, spell echo, fast casting that for main damage spells, and other is mana problem for support spells? Eldrichbatteri risk with high DPS?

These two are not specific mechanical questions, and as such you will get a better answer by starting a new thread in the Gameplay Discussion forum.

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adghar wrote:

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Abdiel_Kavash wrote:

Each pulse hits with both your main hand and off hand weapon simultaneously.

This does not appear to be correct. Instead, Charged Dash appears to use the default behaviour of all Attack skills that do not specify handed behaviour; it alternates between main hand and off hand.

Testing method: Resolute Technique, high DPS weapon in one hand, white level 5 weapon in the other. Expected behaviour was pulses would deal low damage, high damage, low damage, high damage, etc. Test results matched expected behaviour.

Youtube link of testing:

https://youtu.be/bcrRuzbT6xc

time stamp at place where it is most easy to observe:

https://youtu.be/bcrRuzbT6xc?t=67

I'm not sure if I'm seeing the same thing - I've been watching the rare monster next to you, and it seems to take roughly the same amount of damage with every pulse.

I tested with two Mjolners, one socketed with Shock Nova, and the other with Ball Lightning - both pretty visually obvious and distinct spells. Each pulse of CD (ignoring ones that missed, no RT) triggered both spells at the same time.

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adghar wrote:

It's pretty clear from my video you can see half the pulses doing practically no damage... perhaps when I said "low damage" I should have said "no damage" :P*

Okay, I think I see what's going on. I did some further tests.

Setup:
2x Mjolner, one with Ball Lightning, one with Shock Nova. Both skills linked with Brutality.
Charged Dash + Physical to Lightning + Brutality.

That way, none of the skills deal any damage and I can test in peace.

2x The Warden's Brand
The Anvil

This nukes my attack speed to oblivion (1.14 APS, one pulse every 1.75 seconds) so I can see clearly what's going on. Also the cooldown of Mjolner (250 ms) will never come into play.

I went to Act 1 and started beating up some monsters.



Against a single target (a stationary totem), hits indeed alternate between using only MH and only OH with every pulse. One spell is cast per pulse, and they alternate perfectly.

However, when hitting a whole group of enemies at once, both spells were being cast at the same time with every pulse.

Even when hitting exactly two monsters, both spells were cast consistently with every pulse (aside from a negligible number of times which I attribute to accuracy). This refutes an idea that the hand is chosen at random.

This leads me to believe that CD alternates weapons with every hit, not just every pulse.