Map drops - assessment of 2.0.0, and changes coming in 2.0.2

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This is partially due to level 74 being where the harder mods kick in. The harder mods can be discouraging. However, the shaping of map drops also is a big factor in the divide between 73 and 74.

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Qarl wrote:

Over three million maps are being run each week.

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Jiman wrote:

The issues that you talk about in your post everything that was said to you in the Beta. This isnt new information revealed to you by a huge amount of data, you knew this already so please do not BS us. What you did is simply have the drop rate of maps be very very low to force players to play in the league for a longer period of time and prevent players from becoming bored.

This is very obvious. You are already experimenting with mid league game play changes with how you adjusted the WarBands as well to try to keep interest continual, and imo that isnt a bad thing. However when you apply this type of forced game play adjustments to integral mechanics, you are going to start seeing problems.

Please, do not force map drop rates unless you are going to have a direct and up front approach to it. Otherwise you are just going to piss off your player base.

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Qarl wrote:

We do also see more hoarding of maps in this level range, where players often choose to not run these maps (we assume until they improve their character).

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db183 wrote:

Building a base of lower maps and working your way up slowly in no way 'reduces variance' of the map drops. Map drops are the same in a 74+ maps whether you have 1 or 1000 of them.

Sure, slowly building that base and working up will help you sustain the map level you built up to for a longer period of time. However, you still had to run hundreds of maps that were low level to get to that point. This is statistically no different than running your highest level map and resetting to the lower maps to get to that level again repeatedly. You end up with the same exact amount in the end.

The common hardcore method of using low level maps and working their way up is just a direct effect of out-leveling and out-gearing the content to stay safe-- The same thing HC players do throughout the entire game. HC players don't mind this because the play style of trivializing content to stay alive is the norm for them.

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Ismaell wrote:

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Haderach99 wrote:

Uhhh. Qarl. Are you saying you will cater to these people who exaggerate like this?

I sure after that HUGE sample size of a few 78 maps (at 80-100 quant..what? your highest map level and you do crap maps? I've done maps up to 170%...in HC to try to maintain a map pool). he completely ran out of maps and had to go back to Merc dried lakes to farm 68 maps.

And then the streamer thing again. Just stop it.

Like you said dedicated players in Tempest were able to reduce the variance and had less effect from the map changes. This person claim he really, really, really wanted to level and map but obviously was missing something (methodology for one) to do it. But the methods are there.

Don't cater to people like this.

170% Quantity means there were either Vaal Orbs at play, or you ran the additional 40% quantity mods for 10 chaos per map. Especially now with the new map mods that are absolute shit for quantity.. Assuming a level 7 Zana, you've got 7% there, 15% from Fragments (3C per map) then 40% from Onslaught (10C per map.) 62%, so 108% quantity maps.. 2 Chaos to chisel the map, 3 chaos for fragments, 10 chaos for onslaught. A few chaos to roll it, then you have to Vaal Orb the shit too and pray to RNGesus that your map isn't bricked?

What the actual fuck, pal? You think this shit is a step in the right direction? People not being able to play a fast-paced ARPG the way they want to, and instead having to do some slow as shit 5K DPS tank build to slowly push through near-impossible maps, after first weaving through a mess of bullshit to acquire the currency to even activate the fucking map?


I understand you think your dick is huge and all because you ran hard maps on Hardcore, but again, not everyone cares about fucking loot. 170% quantity IS THE REWARD for running the difficult map, you get 170% MORE SHIT than running the map white would give. Finding the sweet zone - be it 50%, 70%, or 100% quantity is called efficiency - maximizing XP per hour and Loot per hour, or one or solely the other based on personal preference. That's playing a fucking game the way you want to play it, being able to play the build that you enjoy playing. Not being pigeonholed into playing fucking Flame Totem, or some other OP-for-this-league bullshit caster build, because distance is the only effective defence in this imbalanced game.


Also because you're a fucking idiot - Running 170% quantity maps on HC, as flame totem. Damn. Was there a lot of personal, player skill involved? Were you weaving in and out, fucking up and down between incoming spells? Or were you just placing totems at doorways, and kiting a few mobs at a time down? Playing such a brutal, face-crunching ARPG in the slowest, pussiest way possible. You think that is what the playerbase truly wants? Fucking really? A difficult map is fun here and there, but by fuck do they get boring after a short amount of time.