Map drops - assessment of 2.0.0, and changes coming in 2.0.2

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I think it's very important that the bugs with instances crashing are fixed along with this. Part of the reason I've been reluctant to run higher maps, and have either been doing lower content or not playing at all, is that I've already had a few 76s lost.

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Uvne wrote:

I think it's very important that the bugs with instances crashing are fixed along with this. Part of the reason I've been reluctant to run higher maps, and have either been doing lower content or not playing at all, is that I've already had a few 76s lost.

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Ismaell wrote:

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Expert players can (and do) maintain 79+ map level runs, but within the range are forced to play a variety of maps.

To run a good 78+ map, you need..

4x Chisels
1x Alchemy
3x Vaal Fragments (Which is equivalent to 3 chaos)
Average maybe 5 chaos to roll the map until it's 30%+ packsize
10 chaos to run domination or onslaught

2C+.5C+3C+10C+5C = 20.5C to run each Map. 10.5C to run the map if you don't roll the additional 40% quantity (which doesn't make sense in 80+, given map prices) and 5.5C if the map is only alched.

Yes, Etup and Havoc can maintain running maps. Because people love to buy their items, and they have easy access to buying things like chisels/sacrifice fragments. I mean fuck, Etup has people dipping in and out of his hideout for Crafting nearly 24/7, throwing him a tip usually. Does the average player have that kind of treatment? No, fuck no. And because of that, they CAN'T afford to run maps in the same fashion as the top streamers. Another thing is that they have all the right friends. Having Bob on standby means never skipping a boss, for example.


I played Warbands until level 96, which is the highest I've ever gotten. I quit at 96 around rank 15, because I spent 6 exalts on 78 Maps and just lost them all, chiseling and running 80-100%+ quantity each. Promptly, I was 100% broke and had no maps, at level 96. Aside from that, the fact that you have to know someone running Uber to even be able to buy 78 maps is just plain ridiculous.


I don't know what GGGs vision for this game is, but if it's needing to be a well-known player to succeed, it needs some serious changes. The map nerfs, at the end-game level, only widen the gap between what an average joe, and a well-known player with the right connections can achieve. There should be a path available for players that absolutely do not give a fuck about making currency and finding uniques, and ONLY play to rush to 100. I would be 100% fine running 80+ maps all day if they had a built in 'Unique items cannot be found in this map. Contains a map of equal level' mod, for example. I don't give a fuck about having a stack of Exalts or Mirrors, I just want to play to level. That's literally all. Even if level 80-82 Maps could only be found in maps with X% quantity, to lock those away from racers and give those who want to MF a little more incentive that'd be fine. Just let us play with the same map levels as we did before, for fucks sake.



Please DO NOT base updates that affect ALL players on what Etup and Havoc are able to achieve. I'm fine with literally EVERY change in 2.0, aside from the maps. I really don't understand what was wrong with regalling/running packsize or beyond beyond Palaces. The easier maps meant a reduction in quantity and rarity, which was the tradeoff. You could kick the ladders ass, or you could get rich.

And the change to the minimum amount of XP received being 1% instead of 2%? What, was pushing the average map from 76-78 down to 73-75 not big enough of a fuck you to people who just want to level?


E; Also on the point of map hoarding - I think it was more like.. Legitimate players hoarded 82 Maps to sell to the impatient RMTers so they could actually continue to run maps of a respectable level. I know whenever I found an 82 map, that shit just turned into chisels and alchs thanks to some random level 85 guy.

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Qarl wrote:

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Humble_Canadian wrote:

We don't hoard the high level maps because our characters can't run them. We hoard to sell them because they're worth much more to sell to other players than run it by ourselves since they are so rare.

So, that still appears hoarded, until your buyer runs the map. A map waiting to be sold is essentially hoarded.

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Qarl wrote:

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Uvne wrote:

I think it's very important that the bugs with instances crashing are fixed along with this. Part of the reason I've been reluctant to run higher maps, and have either been doing lower content or not playing at all, is that I've already had a few 76s lost.

I totally agree. Map loss has affected this. While we have improved this, and fewer maps are lost, it is still being worked on.

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Haderach99 wrote:

Uhhh. Qarl. Are you saying you will cater to these people who exaggerate like this?

I sure after that HUGE sample size of a few 78 maps (at 80-100 quant..what? your highest map level and you do crap maps? I've done maps up to 170%...in HC to try to maintain a map pool). he completely ran out of maps and had to go back to Merc dried lakes to farm 68 maps.

And then the streamer thing again. Just stop it.

Like you said dedicated players in Tempest were able to reduce the variance and had less effect from the map changes. This person claim he really, really, really wanted to level and map but obviously was missing something (methodology for one) to do it. But the methods are there.

Don't cater to people like this.