Viper Strike

does life steal support gem apply to the chaos dmg on viper strike?

as much it hurts me to say this... i think this skill needs nervs or mechanical changes

so yesterday i was playing my only e-knives shadow solo and i tried to kill gravicius. Basically: i couldnt lay a scratch on him with the knives. They did not enough single target damage by kiting and evading and i couldnt pin him down since he would simply overpower me.

So i used viper strike without having put any points into melee damage and after short time he was dead. which is kind of surprising since you wouldnt expect it to work this good...

basically this would have to be nerved in a way it doesnt get nerved for melee.
Maybe base the chaos damage around weapon a bit or make it based on int and dex

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M3phisto wrote:

as much it hurts me to say this... i think this skill needs nervs or mechanical changes

so yesterday i was playing my only e-knives shadow solo and i tried to kill gravicius. Basically: i couldnt lay a scratch on him with the knives. They did not enough single target damage by kiting and evading and i couldnt pin him down since he would simply overpower me.

So i used viper strike without having put any points into melee damage and after short time he was dead. which is kind of surprising since you wouldnt expect it to work this good...

basically this would have to be nerved in a way it doesnt get nerved for melee.
Maybe base the chaos damage around weapon a bit or make it based on int and dex

Yes let's nerf melee even more than it is now. NO, tnx

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NagiSoi wrote:

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M3phisto wrote:

basically this would have to be nerved in a way it doesnt get nerved for melee.
Maybe base the chaos damage around weapon a bit or make it based on int and dex

Yes let's nerf melee even more than it is now. NO, tnx

pls read before raging around blindly next time. i am also of the opinion that melee in general, especially assasin type shadows need a buff

i was talking about the fact that viper strike doesnt require a melee build to work itself

Lvl 28 assassin. Dual wield, claw and knife. Took all the early single and dual wield damage /speed passives.
I use this quite a bit. I also used it's big brother, Poison Arrow.
Poison arrow Gives added Chaos damage to the physical of the arrow, PLUS an AOE damage that is just unreal.

Venom Strike Level 8 from Wiki:
8 28 67 9 5.4s 29.2 604,431

My displayed DPS is 93.3

Poison Arrow Level 8 From Wiki:
8 26 62 18 37% 3.2s 33.0 581,328

At first, it seems that Venom Strike is the WAY TO GO. 29.2*4 + 116.8 DPS on a single target. Not really. First, you never really have 4 doing all that damage all tat time, due to attack rate. You might be able to get 2 per second, but not 4. So It scales down a little. Mana consumption is an issue as well. What is the return on investment?

Second, it's a single target, where PA is hitting the whole mod.

Third, lets not forget a 37% boost at level 8 to overall ranged attack.

As a melee guy first and foremost, this should be one of the gems we use by default. I get far more dps out of my dual strike (219 @ lvl 8), for far less mana. I'm seeing almost TRIPLE the DPS from dual strike versus venom strike, for the same amount of mana.

Viper strike is nice but it certainly doesnt need a nerf. I use it at 68 and its nice, but no way the damage is too much at those levels.

I dont have much physical dmg I just use a really fast weapon and use it for the chaos dmg.

are the values from this page http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Viper_Strike accurate ??

I mean, it is really weird :

o lvl 15 -> 16 : increase of 28.2
o lvl 16 -> 17 : increase of 88.6
o lvl 17 -> 18 : increase of 68.4
o lvl 18 -> 19 : increase of 53.4



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This makes NO sense whatsoever

edit: nvm i didn't understand question. either way, check history for valid recent actions, if nothing recent then wiki may or may not be correct, which it sometimes isn't.