Viper Strike

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IrishKigoi wrote:

Mainly these two pieces:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Buff/Debuff durations apply to buffs/debuffs applied by skills, and it's not possible for them to be applied without skill duration also being applied.

This is the primary section which generated the "both skill gems." Unless there are 2 different fire spells that have different types of "burning" or cold spells with different types of "frozen".

Now I'm even more confused. The part you quoted is explaining that if an effect has buff duration increases apply to it, it also must have skill duration increases apply. It has nothing to do with effects from different gems. I literally cannot see any connection here to what you're saying, beyond the fact both are referring to the poison debuff.
No, there are not two different fire kinds of "burning" caused by different skills. Neither are there two different kinds of poison from poison arrow and adder's touch.
Viper strike is different from them, and is clearly visually distinguished, and clearly uses different mechanics (charges).

If there was a skill dealing fire damage over time in a way that's clearly mechanically different to what burning does *cough0.9.9cough*, that debuff would not be the burning debuff, and would stack with it.

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IrishKigoi wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

The poison in this case is treated as a status effect like burning, so is not affected, although it could technically be called a "debuff".

Adder's Touch - "Critical strikes with Daggers Poison the enemy"
Viper Strike - "Poisons the foe, which can stack up to 4 times. Each time they are re-poisoned the duration is extended."
Poison Arrow - "Enemies who enter the cloud are poisoned for a short time, taking chaos damage."

I was not aware Viper strike's description used the word poison like that - I don't use the skill much, and it didn't when I wrote the description. I can see how that increases confusion, but I still feel that the fact the effect is clearly visually distinguished is a reasonable hint that it's not the same effect as the generic poison.

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IrishKigoi wrote:

As for the duration, I thought Adder's Touch was a flat 2 second duration?

Yep, that was my mistake, forgot it worked like burning and not freeze in that respect - fixed duration, but amount of damage per minute varies with the damage dealt.

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IrishKigoi wrote:

As far as Frenzy and Blood Rage, am I mistaken that both abilities give the exact same TYPE of Frenzy Charge?

No, you're not. There aren't (and can't be) different 'kinds' of frenzy charge. I was referring to the actual buff put on you by blood rage, not the charges it generates, and comparing that buff to a frenzy charge - as an analogy to you comparing viper strike which clearly uses charges, to the poison effect which is clearly a non-charge buff and expecting they were the same.

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IrishKigoi wrote:

Maybe I'm just being a stickler for consistency. Perhaps a rewording of Viper Strike to "Plagues the foe" or "Envenoms the foe". Then, at least, poisons are one thing and this Viper Strike damage is another.

I would not be opposed to such a change - as I said above, I didn't know Viper Strike's description had change to what it is now, but it's not my call. I'll bring it up sometime when things are less busy.