Current state of hld

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

I disagree, 1h crit got buffed by quite a bit 2.0. Phase run makes 1hit flicker possible again(seen it), cwdt flame dash works pretty much the same as a flicker, when you take damage you're teleported to the attacker and can instantly start do a few hits and he's dead. People can 2shot my marauder with stuff like reave which I find quite insane. People complain they can't 1shot people with crit 1h, ea, rangers, caster, 2h(well no one really complains cause it's impossible) but honestly how fun would that be? Boring pvp that requires nothing but a click here and there and your opponnent is dead, sounds boring to me atlesat. I want tactics and different apporaches to different builds, therefor I am a much bigger fan of team pvp rather than 1v1 since they quickly get boring

just my 2 cents

Ill have to find someone who uses phase run and or flame dash then. So far I havnt seen that many people using those abilities aside from myself. I agree 1 shots arnt fun... if were back to a meta similar to the flicker days then its sad times ahead :(

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MullaXul wrote:

Sometimes I think people just type shit on here so I can reply and give them an idea how to properly play.

Typical Mulla...

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lllllDethkloklllll wrote:

Ill have to find someone who uses phase run and or flame dash then. So far I havnt seen that many people using those abilities aside from myself. I agree 1 shots arnt fun... if were back to a meta similar to the flicker days then its sad times ahead :(

Yeah I don't think too many know about it yet, but it's a really good way to get to the attacker, and if you're crit you can just get to the attacker when he/she leasts expects it and crit a few times and dead

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lllllDethkloklllll wrote:

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

I disagree, 1h crit got buffed by quite a bit 2.0. Phase run makes 1hit flicker possible again(seen it), cwdt flame dash works pretty much the same as a flicker, when you take damage you're teleported to the attacker and can instantly start do a few hits and he's dead. People can 2shot my marauder with stuff like reave which I find quite insane. People complain they can't 1shot people with crit 1h, ea, rangers, caster, 2h(well no one really complains cause it's impossible) but honestly how fun would that be? Boring pvp that requires nothing but a click here and there and your opponnent is dead, sounds boring to me atlesat. I want tactics and different apporaches to different builds, therefor I am a much bigger fan of team pvp rather than 1v1 since they quickly get boring

just my 2 cents

Ill have to find someone who uses phase run and or flame dash then. So far I havnt seen that many people using those abilities aside from myself. I agree 1 shots arnt fun... if were back to a meta similar to the flicker days then its sad times ahead :(

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MullaXul wrote:

Sometimes I think people just type shit on here so I can reply and give them an idea how to properly play.

Typical Mulla...

Haha, am I wrong man? Come on, since I started playing 2h pre 1.0 all I've seen was copy paste and to this day some people still don't understand 100% why they even play what they play, only saw it work so did it themselves. That is apparent when you see many caster,bow,1h melee rt/crit, or 2h melee. People paying people for trees advice etc.. yet these are the same people that a day or 2 later are in here talking shit about balance. Then they talk like things are just getting discovered or are new to the community when they've been known by at least a dozen originals since beta.

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MullaXul wrote:

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lllllDethkloklllll wrote:

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

I disagree, 1h crit got buffed by quite a bit 2.0. Phase run makes 1hit flicker possible again(seen it), cwdt flame dash works pretty much the same as a flicker, when you take damage you're teleported to the attacker and can instantly start do a few hits and he's dead. People can 2shot my marauder with stuff like reave which I find quite insane. People complain they can't 1shot people with crit 1h, ea, rangers, caster, 2h(well no one really complains cause it's impossible) but honestly how fun would that be? Boring pvp that requires nothing but a click here and there and your opponnent is dead, sounds boring to me atlesat. I want tactics and different apporaches to different builds, therefor I am a much bigger fan of team pvp rather than 1v1 since they quickly get boring

just my 2 cents

Ill have to find someone who uses phase run and or flame dash then. So far I havnt seen that many people using those abilities aside from myself. I agree 1 shots arnt fun... if were back to a meta similar to the flicker days then its sad times ahead :(

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MullaXul wrote:

Sometimes I think people just type shit on here so I can reply and give them an idea how to properly play.

Typical Mulla...

Haha, am I wrong man? Come on, since I started playing 2h pre 1.0 all I've seen was copy paste and to this day some people still don't understand 100% why they even play what they play, only saw it work so did it themselves. That is apparent when you see many caster,bow,1h melee rt/crit, or 2h melee. People paying people for trees advice etc.. yet these are the same people that a day or 2 later are in here talking shit about balance. Then they talk like things are just getting discovered or are new to the community when they've been known by at least a dozen originals since beta.

im no copy paste :'(

Whatever, thread de-railed as usual.

Just refer to the original post. Games in the best state its been and doesn't require much from here to make PvP good. we've been here before though and instead of just tweaking what should of, you do a 180 and fuck up something else compounding the problem. So take the road less traveled this time, thanks. Maybe listen to ppl that don't blow, that'd help too.

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MullaXul wrote:

Whatever, thread de-railed as usual.

Just refer to the original post. Games in the best state its been and doesn't require much from here to make PvP good. we've been here before though and instead of just tweaking what should of, you do a 180 and fuck up something else compounding the problem. So take the road less traveled this time, thanks. Maybe listen to ppl that don't blow, that'd help too.

LOL, are play THIS game , or i think u play somthing else , but not POE. PVP in good place in 2.0 ?
Mulla dont drink next time when u come to forum. From broken game on pvp ladder("we try to fix it"-GGG) to extreem lags on Sarn (with 32-37 ms ), from "good fix" on 2h to full arena of troll build morons. This is "Games in the best state".

@Mullaxul

This is not an attack but a question.

You say melee is fine but could you say the same thing about 2h rt if you used a 450-500 dps weapon max and a kaom non leg in hld without using like EA or PA swap ?

Seems to me vs high blockers you have no chance to win if you have mediocre gear. I see some 1h melee users with shit gear but high block pwning 2h rt users nowdays.

Seen those level 85 ES users just tank anything an average 2h could give them without taking any damages.

Average 2h melee seems to me quite bad if we talk about state of hld and melee.

From all the build I seen around only 2h need to swap ranged or skills most of the time, while 1h and ranged builds can use their only 1 skills without problem .

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lolozori wrote:

@Mullaxul

This is not an attack but a question.

You say melee is fine but could you say the same thing about 2h rt if you used a 450-500 dps weapon max and a kaom non leg in hld without using like EA or PA swap ?

Seems to me vs high blockers you have no chance to win if you have mediocre gear. I see some 1h melee users with shit gear but high block pwning 2h rt users nowdays.

Seen those level 85 ES users just tank anything an average 2h could give them without taking any damages.

Average 2h melee seems to me quite bad if we talk about state of hld and melee.

From all the build I seen around only 2h need to swap ranged or skills most of the time, while 1h and ranged builds can use their only 1 skills without problem .

U know , i do some tests on 2 sets (one was on full phys dmg on 736 dps 2h , 2d was on 755 dps elem old one build). Rly strange thing , 2.0 erase cwdt IC mostly(pvp), but pure phys dps drop to 0 !!!! vs non armor , non IC enemy pure phys dmg sux, strange ahh GGG u dont do any with formulas? This balance team lost respect long time ago, and now we can see only agony of GGG, U sux on PVP Chris U SUX.About phys cast (EK) u can ask Mies(if u fined him in game cos after 2.0 he dont play) or Shadow.:)

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lolozori wrote:

@Mullaxul

This is not an attack but a question.

You say melee is fine but could you say the same thing about 2h rt if you used a 450-500 dps weapon max and a kaom non leg in hld without using like EA or PA swap ?

Seems to me vs high blockers you have no chance to win if you have mediocre gear. I see some 1h melee users with shit gear but high block pwning 2h rt users nowdays.

Seen those level 85 ES users just tank anything an average 2h could give them without taking any damages.

Average 2h melee seems to me quite bad if we talk about state of hld and melee.

From all the build I seen around only 2h need to swap ranged or skills most of the time, while 1h and ranged builds can use their only 1 skills without problem .

I use a non legacy Kaoms, I have over 9k life. I sold my legacy one that I got for 24Ex in open beta pre 1.0 for 215Ex. I can't justify spending 200ex on another one, to me that's just fucking stupid. My entire character costs me under 150Ex now and I feel confident I can beat anyone. I started the whole offhand bow puncture/ea/pa thing back when everyone was just using 1 weapon, 1 skill and blaming balance when they'd lose. It's because I faced such broken shit i.e Shadowthefall and others that I had to reach deep into my options and put stuff together to stay competitive as 2h. Now it's just common practice that eveyone is using similar ideas.

I don't think 500dps 2h weapons are good, not as RT. Just like a 250dps 1h isn't fantastic as RT. Crit will ramp that damage potential up 2-8x what it really is and that's where a lot of the issues lie.

500dps 2h with 7-8k average life RT
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250dps 1h with average of 4-5k life crit

At even 200% multiplier hes doing comparable damage per hit. We know average is 400-600% and often reaches 800% with BiS gear.

Then you add block and/or acrobatics which as 2h RT you'll likely have a hard time getting acro while as 1h either or both is pretty much a given. You're losing a gem slot to counter the block chance (would be fine under normal circumstances). While the 1h can go full dps knowing 9:10 times you don't have acro to bother with. Why I tried to push the idea for a 2h only block reduction cluster, removing the sword one so 2h has an actual perk to it. Because big life pools do not erase the big crit damage potential of a 1h,caster,bow user.

I already pointed out a lot in the past I don't think 2h is great. I've proven it and pointed out several reasons why. Everyone I've beaten that was 1h, that said they are going 2h because its stronger. I've told, don't...its inferior in ways 1h is superior but they didn't listen. It's also no mystery bow and caster are number 1 and 2 respectively. I play 2h because I like the challenge and only play low-mid tier stuff in any game I play. So I feel I earned wins through brains,tech and out playing my opponent rather then playing the flowchart win button specs the majority will play. Games are boring when its easy to win in. So my opinion is obviously a bit skewed and the majority will think I'm fucking nuts for thinking 2h is even viable in the first place. People gravitate to whats easy and powerful, 2h melee by design will never be that. That side of the tree doesn't favor it and as long as crit multipliers in excess of 200% are a thing RT will never be top tier.

Every game has top tier builds/characters and a community backing them with downplaying. They think because they suck that the character/build isn't that great since they are working so hard to win with it. Then you have the other end of the spectrum the low-mid tier builds/characters that honestly are lacking either via dev bastardization, fear they'll become too powerful given their toolset if they were buffed, ignorance, or they just don't fit into the game well.

I'm not saying people suck, that's not my point. I'm basically saying you have to decide what type of player you are. As top tier, everyone's playing your game that you face. As low-mid tier you're generally swapping gear constantly, fighting uphill and can't just roll over good players easily. You'll kill crappy players and to them you'll be top tier but versus the real top tiers with a competent player, you're just a dude with a bunch of handicaps.


Bow is the best 2h option in the game. It has better damage output, ranged, same mobility, more options, easy acrobatics and a superior tree location, comparable or better regen and same life pools. Super easy to play and no more expensive then your average-top geared 2h melee.



@Jedi

I don't know what you're looking at but physical builds are viable. I'm not going to tell you why but they are. Physical builds have the most support in the entire game and can hybrid physical/elemental easily without sacrificing anything. The algorithm for PvP damage reduction is fine given the amount of insane shit physical builds have access to. As far as PvP as a whole goes, this is the most honest PvP we've had to date. The stupid shit that is still in the game is less stupid then the shit we had in the past and that's a minor win in itself. Fix the stuff in my initial post and game would be in a good state.

They can't keep nerfing skills like they have because there are RT and Crit versions. If you nerf a skill 30% its going to be felt by RT more so then Crit any day. They need to look at the builds, how Crit and non Crit are doing independently. They need to also not nerf skills in HLD based on LLD success. The way they go about balance is wrong imo and everyone can agree. They still managed to shovel some shit off the big pile they started with though and we're sitting on a better spot then we have in the past so at ease a bit.

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MullaXul wrote:

Bow is the best 2h option in the game. It has better damage output, ranged, same mobility, more options, easy acrobatics and a superior tree location, comparable or better regen and same life pools. Super easy to play and no more expensive then your average-top geared 2h melee.

You also forgot to add that they can use quivers wich is basically another ring/amu slot adding to their dps/survivability. Imo bow are broken for all the reasons you said and as an item as well. Harbringer are too good items compared to the rest of the the item pool (with ambusher being second) and that's why Glyph Mark is hands down the overall best weapon of the game, period.