Item Affix Changes
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Mirrors exist in order to balance greed. Mirrors are to make use of greed of 'BIG' players in this game.
If you look to the world, there is no balance, no fix for the greed of humans. Big gets bigger without a reason, without a goal. Poe has a solution for this. When a player gets big currency wise, so big that can swallow whole Poe Community with his/her wealth, This game forces such players to 'craft' items and therefore lesser wealthy players can have a copy of such overpowered items. Ive never seen such clever balance between very high end tier of players and mid-high tier players. This is possibly the most clever mechanic of this game. This gives goal to everyone in this game, Mid players to afford such items, and high end tier players to craft what the community needs most for the most profit. I wish we had such option in the world, I would like to have a copy of the feeling of a succesful businessmen how secure he/she feels, of a dictator how the world is all about him/her, a copy of a porn stars experencies how the lust totally fulfills with satisfaction, i would like to have a copy of feelings of a girl who is in love to see how beeing complete feels like etc. There wont be war, sadness, questions, search for meaning, there would be only goals. Like PoE. Somebody said, mirrors should be out of this game, this is written to answer that. "You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength." Last edited by Rupenus on Jun 16, 2015, 9:47:33 AM
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finaly... over all thies years... my cry is heard... and i made several remove mirrors threads...
regardless i take some loses i accept that... and u ppl who cry about ure mirrored copys lose value? i salute it!!!! and if mirrors are removed... ure gear dont drop value at all.. WE all win... expept me ofc- i take the poop with a cheer. 1 chaos bo for the packet IGN jauertemplar
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" They were silent after their first announcement where the thread blew up in rage, so I don't see them responding here - even to someone with lots of shiny supporter tags (myself included). One explanation is that it's all about their precious economuh. Perhaps GGG is trying to solve for trade imbalance - and other shall we say 'external' markets - with devaluation. This implies they care about standard. You don't need a degree in economics to realize that this won't solve anything. The rich will still get richer, the middle-class joins the middle, and everyone below that just gets pushed down further. So if everyone knows that this is a predetermined outcome, that implies that GGG does, in fact, not care about standard, its market, and its external market. The other is that it's truly driven by act 4 content. Perhaps that 1% - 10% gain on the higher base items translates to significant overall gains. But I find this rationale hard to believe since it suggests that act 4 content now requires Loath Bane+ gear and that such crafts will no longer be OP. Good luck to the folks that aren't running around with GG gear. Is your head spinning? It's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Between these changes and some of the map balance statements, players as a whole are being treated as a bunch of naive idiots - not just the big supporters. Ok GGG now please dangle a shiny new MTX in front of my face and make all of this OK! ✰CARD✰ The Survivalist I can’t buy any more big supporter packs because the forum only supports showing 7 legacy tags. Last edited by cgexile on Jun 16, 2015, 10:33:19 AM
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@Rupenus
Nicely said but there is a hole in your statement. In poe once again big get gibber. The thing is that players with vast wealth craft BiS items but that doesn't make them any less wealthier in fact it makes them more wealthy and gives them a mean to accumulate more wealth just by mirroring their BiS items ( which costs them nothing). Don't get me wrong ... i know that it's hard to craft and i know that it is a risk and it requires many exalts/eternals/divines but in the end it just makes the rich more richer. Does a regular jack-off can eventually get a copy of the BiS item that he/she desires ? Sure! By working hard he can get enough currency to get the item .. but in the end he/she actually "works" for that rich player who owns the BiS original item. So the situation here is much like in the real world. You want a big house? You are not a rich person ? No problem - just work your ass off for the rich guys and they'll pay you just enough so you could buy that dreamed big house in 15-20 years! You want that 6t1 dagger? You are not a rich player ? No problem - just grind you ass off so that you can get enough currency to buy a mirror and then enough currency to pay for the mirror fee , so that you could have that dreamed Loath Bane in 1-2 months of non-stop grind! Do you get richer with your purchase ? No. Does the rich guy gets richer from your 20-30 ex mirror fee ? Yes. And how the rich players got so rich is a question for another discussion but the answer is strikingly similar to how people get rich the real world ... and it rarely is hard work. Don't get me wrong i don't blame anyone, i don't point fingers, i'm not saying if that's right or wrong. I'm just saying what the situation is. As for the question "Should mirrors exist ?" there are pros. and cons. Personally i think that the existence of mirrors is not a good decision. With no mirrors people would craft much more and that's a good thing in my eyes. Crafting was the GGG's solution to currency inflation ... but these days people hoard orbs rather then using them for crafting. And why should they ? The chance to craft that one BiS item is slim ... while amassing currency to buy a mirrored version of it is a slow but certain and steady process. And that's something that i personally dislike. "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG on Jun 16, 2015, 11:24:10 AM
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" u hit the intire point... with no mirrors the need to absolutly craft 6/6 divined 100% perfect is removed... now u craft as good as u can or can affort.. and will be happy about it... so the purpose now with getting currency is not to stack em to buy a mirror its now to use em!!!! and ... the 4/6t1 item u craft... will have a equiv value of what u put into it.. since anyone who wanna get a simelar item will have to soke the same amount of currency into it depending of rng... soo... someone will still make a perfect item simply just becours he can... and he will still sell it to a scumbag RMTer who will empty all currency pages to buy it... and then he can feal happy with him self that he waisted enough currency to buy some coding for what he cud have bougth a new car.. and a little china man gets bread on hes table.. but it wont affect the market.. not like mirror gear/service do now.. its a desiase...... remove that freaking mirror... IGN jauertemplar
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Absolutely!
The existence of mirrors makes crafting a very joyless activity for most of us. "Oh 3xt1 and 3xt2 ... what a crap item .. and i've spent half a mirror on that! I should've saved all that to get the perfect item!". Crafting now just feels like wasted currency and it leaves a bad taste after you've done it. I rarely play new leagues but if there is one thing that i like about them that's the first 1 week when orbs are something that you craft with and not currency that you stash away. The initial idea behind orbs was for the players to use them thus regulating the inflation and at the same time giving a choice to the players - to try your luck and craft an item or to hoard your currency and buy an already crafted item. This idea has some problems right from the start ( i.e. very hard to craft a good enough item leaving a feeling of despair ) but with the existence of mirrors and lately the existence of eternal orbs ( which made the crafting of perfect items X times easier * i'm saying easier not easy! * ) it just became worse. Now there is no reason to craft. Actually crafting is bad for you unless you can afford crafting the perfect item because you are burning currency without gaining anything. Can you make a good item ( because good items is enough to faceroll PoE ) - sure! But the thing is that because of the existence of perfect items the value of the good items is rather low and certainly lower than the currency you've put into them in order to craft them. So with all that the decision between crafting and using your orbs as currency became non-existent. And that pretty much destroyed the crafting process for 99% of the players. And that's .. horrible. P.S. The "Personally i don't think that the existence of mirrors is not a good decision" sentence in my previous post should be read as "Personally i think that the existence of mirrors is not a good decision" "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG on Jun 16, 2015, 12:10:38 PM
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so much fun will unfold... just like the chaos orb will regain its status as a crafting orb... simply since ppl will start chaos role agein, like in good old beta before eternal.. it was so awsome!!
IGN jauertemplar
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I don't mind Eternal as a crafting tool, that way you can reach your end game crafting goal but mirrors should have never been implented in the first place. It's a terrible idea who scream RMT to everyone. Actual mirrors should be disabled and no more should drop, EVER.
GGG if you really want to stand your ground about fighting RMT, remove mirrors form the game. It's way more game breaking than stuff like "increase quantity" or legacy mods. Last edited by IceDeal on Jun 16, 2015, 1:11:50 PM
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" It's the other way around. ^^ Take a closer look at the mirrored items from the time before eternals. Eternal orbs made 6t1 possible so the whole problem is eternals not mirrors. But hey, I'm with you when it comes to "remove mirrors" but I say "remove eternals & mirrors". German saying: Schönheit und Funktionalität in Sekundenschnelle zu ruinieren, ist dem wahren Dilettanten keine Herausforderung!
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I must disagree with you 666lol666. I'd say "Remove mirrors!" OR "Remove eternals!". Removing both is an overkill and while eternal orbs on their own bring something good to the table ( making the already extremely hard crafting easier ) i don't really see what good the mirrors do. Thus i'm more for the first statement "Remove mirrors!"
"I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG on Jun 16, 2015, 2:29:48 PM
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