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And now enlighten will be in the exact same spot, so why is that a change for the better. You just now have to use a blue skill instead?
Yes, it will be a little bit more rare and need to be leveled but if you want to use any reservation build you will have to do that instead. Changes nothing.
The real kicker is you've just changed a 'mandatory' gem from something everyone can get (quest reqrds ftw) to something only the richest of the rich can afford. Lvl 4 Enlighten? Already selling for 30+ ex.
Yeah, that's your so-called Change for the better of the game. Shouldn't changes for the better of the game be for all involved, instead of just those sitting at the top?
If numbers will be OK (GGG stated, that Enlighten will provide much less bonus, then reduced mana did), then it wont be a mandatory gem. Just like Enhance and Empower are not mandatory for curses, Vaal skills, etc. Why? Because those +2-3 gem levels are barely worth slot for lots of skills (except spells), same for Enhance.
Most probably, GGG wont make numbers correctly, though, and Enlighten will be mandatory. But that doesnt mean idea was bad, just its implementation.
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Posted byMortalKombat3on Jun 27, 2015, 2:27:56 AM
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And now enlighten will be in the exact same spot, so why is that a change for the better. You just now have to use a blue skill instead?
Yes, it will be a little bit more rare and need to be leveled but if you want to use any reservation build you will have to do that instead. Changes nothing.
The real kicker is you've just changed a 'mandatory' gem from something everyone can get (quest reqrds ftw) to something only the richest of the rich can afford. Lvl 4 Enlighten? Already selling for 30+ ex.
Yeah, that's your so-called Change for the better of the game. Shouldn't changes for the better of the game be for all involved, instead of just those sitting at the top?
If numbers will be OK (GGG stated, that Enlighten will provide much less bonus, then reduced mana did), then it wont be a mandatory gem. Just like Enhance and Empower are not mandatory for curses, Vaal skills, etc. Why? Because those +2-3 gem levels are barely worth slot for lots of skills (except spells), same for Enhance.
Most probably, GGG wont make numbers correctly, though, and Enlighten will be mandatory. But that doesnt mean idea was bad, just its implementation.
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Posted byMortalKombat3on Jun 27, 2015, 2:28:08 AM
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If numbers will be OK (GGG stated, that Enlighten will provide much less bonus, then reduced mana did), then it wont be a mandatory gem.
No actually they said it will provide the same the same amount as the current reduced mana gem, and even below that:
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It's worth noting that a very high level Enlighten gem can reduce aura reservation costs to the point of the old Reduced Mana support and below
So they merely transferred the function of a cheap gem to an extremely expensive gem. Enlighten + auras will actually be better than the current Reduced Mana + auras since high Enlighten will have the Reduced Mana gem's reduced aura reservation and auras cost less. It will be the most sought after gem in the game. Whoever has level 4 Enlighten and hasn't corrupted their gear will have an enormous advantage.
I get that they want to make Enlighten more useful but having it replace Reduced Mana gem is not the way.
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Posted byMrSparkle001on Jun 27, 2015, 2:50:05 AM
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If numbers will be OK (GGG stated, that Enlighten will provide much less bonus, then reduced mana did), then it wont be a mandatory gem.
No actually they said it will provide the same the same amount as the current reduced mana gem, and even below that:
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It's worth noting that a very high level Enlighten gem can reduce aura reservation costs to the point of the old Reduced Mana support and below
So they merely transferred the function of a cheap gem to an extremely expensive gem. Enlighten + auras will actually be better than the current Reduced Mana + auras since high Enlighten will have the Reduced Mana gem's reduced aura reservation and auras cost less. It will be the most sought after gem in the game. Whoever has level 4 Enlighten and hasn't corrupted their gear will have an enormous advantage.
I get that they want to make Enlighten more useful but having it replace Reduced Mana gem is not the way.
Hold on, let us see those numbers, before discussing it. GGG said that Enlighten will give much smaller bonus, than Reduced Mana did (and all reservation skills will be scaled appropriately), but also GGG said that Enlighten of high enough level will match old Reduced Mana. "Smaller bonus" and "high enough level" are relative terms. Maybe, they meant Enlighten of 20-th level (which isnt realistic anyway), maybe - just 5-th level (which is accessible, though hardly). And you dont even know, how would scaling formula for Enlighten work.
Your assumptions may be true, of course, but they also may be false, so dont be so sure until you see it.
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Posted byMortalKombat3on Jun 27, 2015, 3:41:47 AM
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Does anyone know, or has an Idea, what happens with enlighten e.g. lv3 after patch ?
Will it be lvl 10 ? what happens to coruppted ones lvl 3? or even lvl 4 ?
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Posted byveritaserumon Jun 27, 2015, 4:38:05 PM
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This still the only change that's going to make the game worts.
Useless RM and Overpriced and Over Hard to Get Enlighten in it's place. This is wrong in so many levels. Less auras, less damage, less clear speed, less thinking, less fun, less players. I'm mad. Good job.
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Posted byVashSanon Jun 27, 2015, 10:18:36 PM
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There are enough changes coming that I don't honestly think it will be a problem. People are being so melodramatic. Let the new meta come and stop clinging to the old one!
its not that there being melodramatic everyone agrees with the initial change but they have then just replaced one problem with a bigger one
a lvl2+ enlighten is
a) a fortune
b) rare
c) take huge time investment to level up
meaning anyone that plays casually has another unobtainable thing to add to the list
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a) an artificial wall of time for players to engage there true end game builds
b) absolutely no overall change just a blue gem not a red one
c) less build innovation as extra reserve is now just a time commitment rather than a build commitment basically meaning that build wise the aura change will have little to no effect
over all yes reduce reserve and stop red mana from lowering it more that's fine
but don't mask a problem with another much worse problem
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Posted byproxzeeon Jun 29, 2015, 5:01:08 AM
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It is quite normal to protect your favorite game, but till the certain moment.
What you write This is a bit reminds fanaticism than just protection. This is not normal.
What you write is more like those who commented on the video violence and think that it's okay, but it's not and they are badly mistaken.
That is so dangerous fanaticism as religious as the gaming. Think it is too late.
Nowhere near smells like the balance game, but for you any attempt to prove otherwise useless and futile.
No offense but that's it. Only after 10 years may be able to look with fresh eyes and without fanaticism here to get it you were so wrong.
Why do you blame me for religion fanaticism? I am very far from that.
PoE COULD be the best game ever for me, but sadly, it isnt. Cause GGG vision for "best game ever" differs from mine.
i dont protect PoE. I protect changes, that would make game better, is that bad?
Usually, rare and hard-to-produce things are valuable. Good balance belongs to those, i believe.
ATM, Reduced Mana gem is absolutely mandatory to use for any reservation skill, and very close to useless for any other skill. As a result, quality on it is very close to useless too. Do you find this state of things good? I dont. I believe, players should have a choice - use extra slot and gain some extra mana pool, or use that gem slot for something else. ATM, "some extra mana pool" is actualy "HUGE mana pool" or "1+ extra reservation skill allowed", so there is a little choice. And less choices usually result to boring game.
but what u describe there is EXACTLY THE SAME you think enlighten will have any different effect than reduced mana? no it will still be mandatory for end game powerful builds and to an extent mandatory for all builds with auras the only effect this change has is to make that mandatory gem absolutely ludicrous to obtain
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Posted byproxzeeon Jun 29, 2015, 5:05:11 AM
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but what u describe there is EXACTLY THE SAME you think enlighten will have any different effect than reduced mana? no it will still be mandatory for end game powerful builds and to an extent mandatory for all builds with auras the only effect this change has is to make that mandatory gem absolutely ludicrous to obtain
Do you understand, that the number of sockets in your gear is limited? For general build, there is a lot of other options to use - heralds (ash and thunder at least - there are many nice supports for them), Riposite, Warcries, CWDT setups, etc. So, it isnt necessary to "remove" Reduced Mana effect totally. Just reduce it to the point, where benefit will be comparable to other options.
Aura-dedicated builds (which use 5+ auras, at least), of course, will still want such a gem (probably), and it's completely OK. Other dedicated builds also use specific gem to reach maximum potency.
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Posted byMortalKombat3on Jun 29, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
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but what u describe there is EXACTLY THE SAME you think enlighten will have any different effect than reduced mana? no it will still be mandatory for end game powerful builds and to an extent mandatory for all builds with auras the only effect this change has is to make that mandatory gem absolutely ludicrous to obtain
Do you understand, that the number of sockets in your gear is limited? For general build, there is a lot of other options to use - heralds (ash and thunder at least - there are many nice supports for them), Riposite, Warcries, CWDT setups, etc. So, it isnt necessary to "remove" Reduced Mana effect totally. Just reduce it to the point, where benefit will be comparable to other options.
Aura-dedicated builds (which use 5+ auras, at least), of course, will still want such a gem (probably), and it's completely OK. Other dedicated builds also use specific gem to reach maximum potency.
The enlighten will reduce mana more then reduced mana att higher levels. So no, its not going to be reduced to be compareable to other options. It will be even more mandatory and more expensive.
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