The imbalanced thing no one talks about (LLD)

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

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lapiz wrote:

I wonder why the majority of lld pvp characters are shadows..

pretty easy to answer this, and promise its not just because of acrobatics lmfao. One of the most effective midrange builds is trapper which uses Clever construction. On top of that shadow has most the crit on the tree. Shadow has great nodes all around, if your argument is that acro is op, more people would be going ranger too because they arent far from acrobatics. The problem isnt acro, or just stun immunity, its also overall great nodes and lots of versatility within the shadow tree. Many effective shadows dont even take acro.

As of late there's plenty of crit around templar and marauder too to be honest.

Clever construction is something other classes don't have and is on shadow as well. So yeah there are some other reasons as well for going shadow but acro is the main one.

You cant pick up phase acro as a ranger all too well. There's not enough points to get in there properly. Im not saying its impossible but its just not very optimal compared to shadow.

I actually know of only one tier1 build that goes shadow and doesn't take acro and that's pillowpants' ele trapper. What are the other tier1 shadows without acro?

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lapiz wrote:

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Mephisto_n wrote:

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In LLD every single thing stuns.

Let's pause here.

Why should we balance the counter instead of fixing the mechanic that initially caused the problem?

It is true this is a big problem as well. Acro is the best counter for this crap as well. It shouldn't be the only way to deal with stuns in LLD. It is actually quite hard to come up with a proper way to balance stun without ruining the core game experience. Personally I haven't been able to come up with an idea that would fix it in a way that wouldn't render stun completely useless. Please elaborate if you have suggestions.

Stun is broken in both pvp and pve. In pvp almost everything stuns, in pve everything stuns. To give any suggestions here i think we have to wait until a4 realease becaouse many balancing things could be done(mainly to pve but it will refect pvp).

I am personally hoping that stun overall will get some nerf with a4. My dream solution would be nerf stun threshold in pve a bit + make monsters life a little higher + nerf stun threshold a bit more in pvp + buff stun recovery in pvp.

About acro i dont have a single idea how even possibly nerf it but i dont think bcr gem buff is good solution here. Bcr is already very strong gem almost necessary and buffing it further would put bcr gem into postition similar to acro nodes for shadow. Maybe some more different counters against acro users.

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For HLD sure. For LLD I can't think of anything as dominant.

Yeah, why don't we keep balance only LLD without thinking what could happen for HLD, I mean isn't what what we all strive for?

What other defense does a ranger have other than dodge vs melee? Left side of tree got acess to a higher lifepool and rt, which counters evasion which is the second defense an archer got. I would argue that some of the points were right pre 1.3, but since that patch I think it's in a good spot.

I am wondering what will happen with act 4. I imagine the meta will be completely changed but hopefully some attention to stun and stun recovery for sure. Sadly I dont think we are getting markoth weapons, hoping for some uniques that change the meta and lower gear barrier. Hoping for some bench improvements too! Its soooooo far away! Beta is going to be great tho. If its true that desynch is fixed, I cant wait to play HC PvE, and maybe stun wont be such a big deal in PvP. ATM stun desynch really really sucks in pvp. I would be fine being perma stunned without desynch, but the main problem is blowing all your flasks thinking u can get away but you realize, once your pulled back by desynch multiple times, you just lost almost all the next rounds because u have no flasks. Can't wait for desynch fix, HYPE.

I personally think stun recovery should be the BEST way to counter stun if the meta was balanced. Stun recovery takes up a suffix slot solo or you get less with hybrid defense prefix mod. The user focusing on gettin stun recovery is sacrificing nice stats in order to get the defense against stun and therefor warrants the effectiveness desired to counter stun. I wish it actually worked this way seriously.

What harsh dodge can do other than defense ? :) BCR is already its counter and for rangers (evasion based) thier defense already killed by vegan weapons (do not tell me how much damage it can do ! the mod just remove one defense from the game and all defense remain is dodge which is counter by the BCR)

Agreed with lapiz, too many shadows and rangers, they've got good nodes AND the massively OP acro/phase acro. There's them, then the templars with really good survival+dmging nodes in starting area, then the rest.

Look at class disparity in the recent invitationals, even the melee players ALL went shadow/ranger (Kuan played shadow, Meph played ranger, lapiz and lair were shadows). Add to those all the archers (shadows and rangers). Now add the templar-casters, the only thing strong enough to warrant NOT taking acro/phase acro. Then there's the rest... wait there wasnt anyone else... ^^'