Vegan Mode Should BE RT with zero Critical Chance

1300 eva on my standard melee. fought zep with him using 180 pdps skean, and again after he got his vagan skean. same result.

you dont seriously think having a vagan weapon puts him so far past what he was when he was using a t1 hybrid skean do you?

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bigfoot312 wrote:

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Heelon wrote:

Your are ele rt bower.Templar is your class. Let me guess how much eva you have..like 0?so you don't care about those weapons. And instead of eva you have armour or es, so nothing that is completely useless, like eva. But as a bower i take my eva into account as my defense option. Otherwise i could just dump my points into other stuff like you

Lets get rid of rearguard because it's not fair that a bower who has 2h huge range dmg can block.

Thank you never thought about rear. I am quite sure lapiz will not oneshot me today with that. oh wait...he did. 12% block chance ftw.nice defense option

Sounds damn close to the same 15% vagan avoids.

Also many casters/maras run around without any evasion at all, so vagans weps generally give those groups a better chance (less dps on vagan weps).

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bigfoot312 wrote:

Sounds damn close to the same 15% vagan avoids.

Also many casters/maras run around without any evasion at all, so vagans weps generally give those groups a better chance (less dps on vagan weps).

And now imagine 27% avoidance instead of 12. Would come close to not being oneshotted.

I pointed out that all non eva chars do not waste any ressource because of that.They do not have almost useless gear when facing a vagan weapon.They can dump their points into other things.

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Heelon wrote:

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bigfoot312 wrote:

Sounds damn close to the same 15% vagan avoids.

Also many casters/maras run around without any evasion at all, so vagans weps generally give those groups a better chance (less dps on vagan weps).

And now imagine 27% avoidance instead of 12. Would come close to not being oneshotted.

I pointed out that all non eva chars do not waste any ressource because of that.They do not have almost useless gear when facing a vagan weapon.They can dump their points into other things.

People aren't really dumping points into eva, it's gear reliant. Secondly, maras who stack armor waste their defenses against all casters, and all elemental melee builds (including phys based converted or wed phys stacked). Armor is already very useless and can be completely avoided by just going molten strike + ptl. (meaning against any good crit/dagger those armor defenses are in fact just as useless as ur evasion) There are ways to avoid "soft" defenses... Marauders already have RT and can stack huge dmg and life. And your evasion isn't useless. It comes plenty in handy vs non-vagan and non-rt. There's only 3! good vagan dags in 4 realms... The vagan dag is mandatory because without it people can stack huge evasion or hit a diamond flask and never get touched or critted without any block. How many non-vagans crit are even remotely viable?

i think most of ppl replying here are evasion independent and for this reason they can't see my point

Vegan Weapon will grantee 100% chance to hit which is full destruction to any evasion based build ( RT keystone) will do the same but it sacrfice the crit where here crit is alawys available

and please do not tell dodge/spell dodge because its already counterd with block reduction gem


the topic here is not about the physical damage/nither the LLD coz i do not care about low level duel. The whole concept is about vegan weapon and Cast on Crit gem if you did not get the idea.

In case GGG are not happy with evasion defense they better remove it from the whole game rather wasting ppl time to get good evasion gears and with one single mod its turned into crap items.

i hope they fix this by 1.4 patch

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alshabibi7 wrote:

It turns evasion builds worthless in PVP more than RT itself, No idea what GGG are thinking of that mode !!

to be perfectly fair , both armor evasion and resists dont cover nearly enough in pvp to matter



you can have iron skin granites and boast 8k armor and the elemental will kill you
you can have 75 resists all and the elemental will still kill you
you can have 90% resist all and some one will just use ee on you


hits cant be evaded is a nice mod, but the op's daggar is good regardless.

in the end the best methods of damage reduction is to simply not get hit either by cheesing things like mirror arrow or using a ton of movement impairing effects

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alshabibi7 wrote:

i think most of ppl replying here are evasion independent and for this reason they can't see my point

Vegan Weapon will grantee 100% chance to hit which is full destruction to any evasion based build ( RT keystone) will do the same but it sacrfice the crit where here crit is alawys available

and please do not tell dodge/spell dodge because its already counterd with block reduction gem


the topic here is not about the physical damage/nither the LLD coz i do not care about low level duel. The whole concept is about vegan weapon and Cast on Crit gem if you did not get the idea.

In case GGG are not happy with evasion defense they better remove it from the whole game rather wasting ppl time to get good evasion gears and with one single mod its turned into crap items.

i hope they fix this by 1.4 patch

I can see your point, it's just not a very good one. All soft defenses can be avoid - be it chaos dmg for ES, ele dmg for armor, rt/vagan for evasion. Just accept it.

Don't worry, with vigilant strike, everyone will be able to use the vagan mod :D

waste of time explaining to you