Vegan Mode Should BE RT with zero Critical Chance

the concept of evasion is just destroyed !!

yes yes pvp is unbalanced because aren't #1. good logic.

why are players today complaining if they suck instead of trying to get better.

E: evasion is shit to begin with.

Whatever, not entering argue for bla bla bla

My point is clear to non blind eyes//

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alshabibi7 wrote:

Whatever, not entering argue for bla bla bla

My point is clear to non blind eyes//

And what is that point exactly? there are no vagan dagger users winning tournaments left and right. Dont know why you think its so imbalanced lol.

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A222 wrote:

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alshabibi7 wrote:

Whatever, not entering argue for bla bla bla

My point is clear to non blind eyes//

And what is that point exactly? there are no vagan dagger users winning tournaments left and right. Dont know why you think its so imbalanced lol.

Well lapiz and lair are winning the blitz events but that's another story...

I totally agree with alshabibi7. You won't face a lot of valid arguments here cause a lot of people have invested a lot of ex and eternals to get a good vagan weapon. I did not even not that there is any discussion basis, but ok...

The fact that the vagan mod is prefix is almost no trade off (it is even better than suffix imho) - everyone should know that it is possible to 1-2 shot people with crit weapons point.

You completely negate the whole defense of some builds just with one lazy mod. You don't need acc anymore so you have more open suffixes to get even more crit or res to counter EE- and dualcurse builds without having to sacrifice life by gear swapping. It makes half of the gear of an evasion build almost useless. You can tell me now that rt marauders do the same, but they have to sacrifice defense (no eva, no acro - just block) and big hits do not care about high life pools, it is all about not getting hit in pvp, whereas you can throw vagan weapons in a random build, with all of these defenses, while having crit.

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Heelon wrote:

whereas you can throw vagan weapons in a random build, with all of these defenses, while having crit.

I only know 3 good vagan daggers, and two of them are in standard. For what it takes to get one, 30 et/regal being a little more lucky imo, i think it justifies the existance of vagan weapons. Run you can't tell me that theres a situation where you lose 0-4 vs someone you can 4-0 unless he has a vagan dagger. lapiz was winning events in season 1 with a sword/board build, not always using his vagan antique,and now in season two without twin vagans. lair has been consistently placing top but doesnt have as much wins as waggle for example on a caster build (no vagan weapons).

I dont believe everyone has the means to just "throw them on a build" whenever they want, as good vagan daggers are gated extremely hard. I believe that certain elements that are gated behind hard to get methods can offer utility beyond what the ordinary gave. just look at shavs and mjolner.

my point here is just the meta isnt dominated by vagan weapons. we have never been in a situation where "gg vagan weapons or gtfo" has been thrown around. its just thay lapiz posts an outrageously gg weapon, and all of a sudden you think he is unbeatable, and call for a nerf to a mechanic that you probably wont notice he is using unless you look really close.

I do not refer to lapiz new dagger in any way. And i am not talking about lapiz antique rapier since it is/was used in a non crit build. Just because something is expensive does not justify the existence of a broken mechanic, cause with the time there will be more and more of these weapons in the economy and therefore they will be cheaper. It is an unjustified hardcounter to any evasion build with no trade off if crit based. That's like me having a bow that effectively reduces your life by, let's say 30%.
And now think about a vagan crit sword. Block pen, ignores Eva, Smokemines and put the block pen gem on top. So you have basically no defense left. No defense vs oneshot potential.

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Heelon wrote:

I do not refer to lapiz new dagger in any way. And i am not talking about lapiz antique rapier since it is/was used in a non crit build. Just because something is expensive does not justify the existence of a broken mechanic, cause with the time there will be more and more of these weapons in the economy and therefore they will be cheaper. It is an unjustified hardcounter to any evasion build with no trade off if crit based. That's like me having a bow that effectively reduces your life by, let's say 30%.
And now think about a vagan crit sword. Block pen, ignores Eva, Smokemines and put the block pen gem on top. So you have basically no defense left. No defense vs oneshot potential.

I don't think it's a broken mechanic. Lair is already using vagan dagger in season 2, yet still loses to other builds. I believe I can go 50-50 with him, and I have no defense past 1k life and overcapped resists. If the mechanic is broken, then stuff like cyclone, molten strike, molten shell, firestorm, and other stuff that can beat it is way way beyond broken.

Your are ele rt bower.Templar is your class. Let me guess how much eva you have..like 0?so you don't care about those weapons. And instead of eva you have armour or es, so nothing that is completely useless, like eva. But as a bower i take my eva into account as my defense option. Otherwise i could just dump my points into other stuff like you

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Heelon wrote:

Your are ele rt bower.Templar is your class. Let me guess how much eva you have..like 0?so you don't care about those weapons. And instead of eva you have armour or es, so nothing that is completely useless, like eva. But as a bower i take my eva into account as my defense option. Otherwise i could just dump my points into other stuff like you

Lets get rid of rearguard because it's not fair that a bower who has 2h huge range dmg can block.