The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.
/rant
There is a difference between what you intend to state (the substance of this guide is a WIP) and "PIECING TOGETHER THE GUIDE, LINKING ITEMS, CREATING PICTURES". When I read this, I think "substance is ok, form is not but I don't care".
I do agree on the fact that people are sometimes harsh for whatever justified (or not) reason. But maybe, just maybe, this time (I don't deny the quality of the past builds), the guide is a bit less polished whereas it is not flagged as a WIP (by the past, he used this flag). I would have preferred honesty about the fact that things might not work as intended.
The owls are not what they seem.
My suggestions :
1) Repeatable quest for threshold jewels : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1992137
2) Party Self Found leagues : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1964558
quick question regarding the recent discussion about Vinktar Flask.
Which one would be the best in this build since there are 3 different.
Ty for any answer
P.S. any tips regarding what to upgrade next would be greatly appreciated as well
Last edited by Bibolol#5286 on Aug 10, 2017, 1:15:52 PM
I recommend you the one with 10% lightning resistance penetration with a LA+phys to lightning dmg build.
The owls are not what they seem.
My suggestions :
1) Repeatable quest for threshold jewels : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1992137
2) Party Self Found leagues : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1964558
quick question regarding the recent discussion about Vinktar Flask.
Which one would be the best in this build since there are 3 different.
Ty for any answer
P.S. any tips regarding what to upgrade next would be greatly appreciated as well
"added attacks" is usually the best. lightning pen only comes close if your gear is insanely good or your dmg is - for some reason - 100% lightning. Copy-paste in PoB for your particular setup.
The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.
/rant
There is a difference between what you intend to state (the substance of this guide is a WIP) and "PIECING TOGETHER THE GUIDE, LINKING ITEMS, CREATING PICTURES". When I read this, I think "substance is ok, form is not but I don't care".
I do agree on the fact that people are sometimes harsh for whatever justified (or not) reason. But maybe, just maybe, this time (I don't deny the quality of the past builds), the guide is a bit less polished whereas it is not flagged as a WIP (by the past, he used this flag). I would have preferred honesty about the fact that things might not work as intended.
Imo the people aren't really harsh considering the state of the guide. Following the 3.0 update Neversink covered a lot of the most important changes, improving the guide compared to 2.6 (passive tree, ascendacy, bow/quiver). That said, in 2.6, this guide was flatout bad. The people criticizing the guide are often experienced players and some of them liked the guide initially. But as of now, it's quite sad to see people making the same mistakes over the course of hundreds of pages. Not all of them are following the OPs guide well enough, but some are, and they could use some suggestions/help.
There are quite a bit of good bow guides out there which target a rather costly variant of the build (for example Signalshot in 2.6 or Ahfack's guide in 3.0). This guide could fulfill the same purpose for medium-budget gear - which would fit in really well because of a lot newer players / not experienced with bows reading here.
The gearing for bow builds isn't as straightforward as for 2H RT Sunder/EQ/insert a build. Starting from the necessity to get crit/accuracy on the gear+tree, the variety of the skill tree choices (ascendacies? pure phys conversion? ele bow/Windripper? phys conversion with some ele? pure cold conversion?), non-clear-cut supportgems - there are a lot of potentially confusing things out there.
Since hundreds of pages people struggle with life and single target. I'd bet that the best budget quiver option (as of now) which would help a lot is not mentioned in this guide. Neither are people focusing on equipping barrage in a pseudo-6l (or later 6l), getting a bow, which is suited for single target, or taking point blank. Starkonja's is mentioned in the guide, but remains an unpopular choice out here (we're talking about up to 100 flat life), people are still favouring maligaro's, I don't know, where to stop. Taking into account that belly+Kaom's are expensive in this league (surprise, surprise), the result is something like 3k life + no dmg...which is SO avoidable..
Last edited by juerk#7020 on Aug 10, 2017, 3:43:33 PM
Starkonja is op but hard to find ones with good enchants since Rats Nest is so popular for Lab.
There are also Crit opportunities missed if you lose that much off the helm piece.
I've been trending my guide in terms of lowering cost for the readers as much as possible but it's pretty damn difficult lately because there is such a high demand for damages and that takes away a lot.
The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.
/rant
There is a difference between what you intend to state (the substance of this guide is a WIP) and "PIECING TOGETHER THE GUIDE, LINKING ITEMS, CREATING PICTURES". When I read this, I think "substance is ok, form is not but I don't care".
I do agree on the fact that people are sometimes harsh for whatever justified (or not) reason. But maybe, just maybe, this time (I don't deny the quality of the past builds), the guide is a bit less polished whereas it is not flagged as a WIP (by the past, he used this flag). I would have preferred honesty about the fact that things might not work as intended.
Imo the people aren't really harsh considering the state of the guide. Following the 3.0 update Neversink covered a lot of the most important changes, improving the guide compared to 2.6 (passive tree, ascendacy, bow/quiver). That said, in 2.6, this guide was flatout bad. The people criticizing the guide are often experienced players and some of them liked the guide initially. But as of now, it's quite sad to see people making the same mistakes over the course of hundreds of pages. Not all of them are following the OPs guide well enough, but some are, and they could use some suggestions/help.
There are quite a bit of good bow guides out there which target a rather costly variant of the build (for example Signalshot in 2.6 or Ahfack's guide in 3.0). This guide could fulfill the same purpose for medium-budget gear - which would fit in really well because of a lot newer players / not experienced with bows reading here.
The gearing for bow builds isn't as straightforward as for 2H RT Sunder/EQ/insert a build. Starting from the necessity to get crit/accuracy on the gear+tree, the variety of the skill tree choices (ascendacies? pure phys conversion? ele bow/Windripper? phys conversion with some ele? pure cold conversion?), non-clear-cut supportgems - there are a lot of potentially confusing things out there.
Since hundreds of pages people struggle with life and single target. I'd bet that the best budget quiver option (as of now) which would help a lot is not mentioned in this guide. Neither are people focusing on equipping barrage in a pseudo-6l (or later 6l), getting a bow, which is suited for single target, or taking point blank. Starkonja's is mentioned in the guide, but remains an unpopular choice out here (we're talking about up to 100 flat life), people are still favouring maligaro's, I don't know, where to stop. Taking into account that belly+Kaom's are expensive in this league (surprise, surprise), the result is something like 3k life + no dmg...which is SO avoidable..
Would you be able to go a bit more in-depth on your own edits and additions to the guide, such as this budget quiver you mentioned, point blank, replacing maligora's with something else, etc.? I'd appreciate it a lot, and I'm sure a lot of other people would as well.
The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.
/rant
There is a difference between what you intend to state (the substance of this guide is a WIP) and "PIECING TOGETHER THE GUIDE, LINKING ITEMS, CREATING PICTURES". When I read this, I think "substance is ok, form is not but I don't care".
I do agree on the fact that people are sometimes harsh for whatever justified (or not) reason. But maybe, just maybe, this time (I don't deny the quality of the past builds), the guide is a bit less polished whereas it is not flagged as a WIP (by the past, he used this flag). I would have preferred honesty about the fact that things might not work as intended.
Imo the people aren't really harsh considering the state of the guide. Following the 3.0 update Neversink covered a lot of the most important changes, improving the guide compared to 2.6 (passive tree, ascendacy, bow/quiver). That said, in 2.6, this guide was flatout bad. The people criticizing the guide are often experienced players and some of them liked the guide initially. But as of now, it's quite sad to see people making the same mistakes over the course of hundreds of pages. Not all of them are following the OPs guide well enough, but some are, and they could use some suggestions/help.
There are quite a bit of good bow guides out there which target a rather costly variant of the build (for example Signalshot in 2.6 or Ahfack's guide in 3.0). This guide could fulfill the same purpose for medium-budget gear - which would fit in really well because of a lot newer players / not experienced with bows reading here.
The gearing for bow builds isn't as straightforward as for 2H RT Sunder/EQ/insert a build. Starting from the necessity to get crit/accuracy on the gear+tree, the variety of the skill tree choices (ascendacies? pure phys conversion? ele bow/Windripper? phys conversion with some ele? pure cold conversion?), non-clear-cut supportgems - there are a lot of potentially confusing things out there.
Since hundreds of pages people struggle with life and single target. I'd bet that the best budget quiver option (as of now) which would help a lot is not mentioned in this guide. Neither are people focusing on equipping barrage in a pseudo-6l (or later 6l), getting a bow, which is suited for single target, or taking point blank. Starkonja's is mentioned in the guide, but remains an unpopular choice out here (we're talking about up to 100 flat life), people are still favouring maligaro's, I don't know, where to stop. Taking into account that belly+Kaom's are expensive in this league (surprise, surprise), the result is something like 3k life + no dmg...which is SO avoidable..
Rat's Nest is surely ok - as is abyssus. My problem with those helmets is that they almost require Kaoms/Belly - or a sizeable increase of %hp on the passive tree.
Well..there are options. Gripped gloves are still there, quite easily craftable (or you can buy a weaker base with the new hybrid roll). Since I'm in the process of purchasing gear for a new doomfletch character, I came across this thing, and bought it for 9c, just out of utter disbelief..
Even for the dedicated doomfletch tree/gear, it came dmgwise close to +1 drillneck. For the regular build, I don't even want to know the PoB result.
The most difficult part about the budget bow build is imo the economy problem. A lot of good items jump in price after two weeks or so (or not even one week in 3.0) - which is quite punishing for those who couldn't get the items in time.
@shiftedaura:
as the budget-version (no 6l, max 1 5-l) thunderfist are great. For endgame, something like on a gripped-gloves base. The most important stats are imo life + attack speed - try to get 2 decent suffixes with it (preferably accuracy or resistances.
A hybrid life roll
or a flat phys roll are very nice additions as well.
EDIT2: forgot to mention hrimsorrow as an option (frostblade-ish). With the cold conversion nodes and frost bomb for single target, it's a decent alternative. Not sure at all, if you can compete with ele conversion or doomfletch prism at the highest level of gear - but imo it deserved to be mentioned as a leveling / mapping option. Pure cold conversion makes it easier to kill bosses (frost bomb + easy Wise Oak balancing) - the disadvantages are the bad vinktar-viability and the missing life roll.
Last edited by juerk#7020 on Aug 10, 2017, 4:53:51 PM
Hey ! I'm sry if the answer is already in these 900 pages but it's a lil bit hard to find.
Since i'm following build 2 (sion ele/ass-eye) i'm having huge troubles to sustain mana costs even with a jewel 0.38% phy mana leech OR 2 mana per hit.
I'm runing a 4L only atm, the guide says about picking a mana leech node but the tree present in the guide doesn't pick it and it's still low mana leech.
Should i take alira bandits reward ? Manage to use Parix ( wich solve all the mana problems but lack of life / res) ? add more mana leech jewels ?
About the bandits btw, isn't alira a good choice since we rely on crit and 15% all res is always good ?
