[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses
" Gonna be honest here, but this is bullshit. "Nerf to alchemist cluster" - Didn't really path there to begin with, efficiency for life-based build to get to that point was awful and I had multiple trees before I gave up on the idea. So unless there is magical pathing there that was to be sacrificed, then this is moot. With 3.0 you need +1 Jewel Socket to compensate for that (Conquerer Jewel) and it would still be worth it because they didn't touch the part of Dying Sun that actually affects archers, the + Projectile part. "Massive ES nerfs" - This post has always been a life based build. So don't know why we are discussing ES here. The tree that was in here for 2.6 ES build was poorly thought out, had no flask nodes from Ranger start and was a Pathfinder. To cap Crit on that tree you needed some ungodly amount of optimization, and then it took Herbalist for some reason when the guide never mentioned Poison links. I'm confused why this is relevant so help me to understand. "Weak poison of 3.0" - Not gonna argue on the poison but Pathfinder isn't poison by default it was to take advantage of Master Alchemist to overload of Unique Flasks and then get massive uptime of flasks + the free penetration. Poison Pathfinder archers were pretty specific. Your comment about elemental damage and penetration is one feature of Pathfinder. Uptime of elemental flask provides additional mitigation against damage as well. Uptime of Onslaught/Quicksilver provides way more smooth gameplay as you transition to late game. Uptime of Diamond, no explanation needed, and so forth. It's the ability to get full buff bars for free on top of what you already got out of the ascendancy. Not to mention with a Flaskfinder belt, this is all 100% no issue in temp league. "With a full flask equip..." - Atziri Flask is 1c, and will still be this league. Early advantage of Pathfinder, although not great, is Atziri/Diamond/Quicksilver/Onslaught, such ridiculous power spike for pretty much nothing. Vinktar in early league is generally 40-50c and a flask that experienced players beeline to very early. I had mine on Day 2 evening/Day 3 morning last league. You don't need Dying Sun, generally last thing you bought, and TOH was a tier 2 flask in that setup. Fake Temp League Elitists LUL Last edited by _Saranghaeyo_#5448 on Aug 4, 2017, 1:32:46 AM
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Im having rly hard time with capping resistances when I wanna go for Kaom's body armour, or any other unique, since my DPS is dropping rly hard when I need to get more resistances on jewellery, for example I have 64k Total DPS on my tornado shot, and dropped to 50k Total DPS, all done in Path of Building. Any solution to this. Or maybe I shouldn't bother, but I have 4,7k life only, and wanted to fix it.
Last edited by Om3nov#3660 on Aug 4, 2017, 5:12:59 AM
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Thanks for the great guide!
As I am planning to play this as a Doomfletch variant, I want to do Scion Elementalist/Raider for the 50% reflect reduction. In the final Scion tree (version 2 in your guide) you currently move eastwards from Scion start to Vaal pact, but my plans were going for the Scion life wheel instead and then starting from Ranger through the ascendancy. For such a tree, would I be moving down from Scion start to King of the Hill until I have the ascendancy points? Can you maybe suggest a leveling tree for such a build variant or the tree you proposed for Scion? |
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i tried and played around your build idea in PoB and in 2.6 standard, and the maximum life i could reach without dropping too much dmg is 6100~. leggacy league is the time i first got into poe and it is the over 6000 es easy reaching with full dmg nodes on the tree. im glad its down toned now but may i ask what is the comfortable amount of life with your build idea in end game??? or even generally the comfortable amount of life with general builds??? 6100 life seems sooooooo squishy and your build dont have much armor as well, which makes me feeel soooo danger and quite uncomfortable, not to mention that is with all the gg gears, with t1 life on everything. so my questions are: whats your opinion/ advice on the amount of maximum life your build ideas could/should reach??? is the mechanics of the evasion and dodge of your bow build(s) enough???(coz i feel so uncomfortable coz i know if i got hit the only thing i left is my life pool(6100max), all res, physical reduction, a bit of reduced dmg taken somewhere)??? Whats the maximum things i could do to prevent getting one shot???(thats the only thing that im worried coz i know i got good leech and VP)
thx for anyone who answer me! Last edited by MelbourneLoneWolf#0813 on Aug 4, 2017, 4:42:40 AM
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I'm nearly as hyped for this update as I am for 3.0 as this build was the first I followed and got me into PoE. Plus bows are great.
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" Rangers are mostly squishy, glass cannons, life is your only protection, 6k is just enough, the thing you need to learn is how to manually dodge some attacks, and also you have a blink arrow which lets you kite bosses, basicly just try to dont get hit, in addition you can use decoy totems but I wouldn't reccomend that, save that gem spot for something better. |
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" damnnn yes!!! my savior! Om3nov! i was wondering who will help me! thx for the help man at least now i know i am not misssing something now! again thx for the quick answer :D |
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" You might be right here. I think I overrated numbers and underrated utility here. I'll finish the filter, will take another look at PoB and might update that. Also about the poison/ES points. I never got to update 2.4/2.5/2.6 sections, while playing some ES/poison variations, I got tired and confused from typing 8 hours, my bad :D. Thanks! Please don't PM me ingame with filter/guide questions, post them on the forum, after reading the FAQ.
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Tnx for the work, i'm returning to poe after a long time and i wanted to start this season with a bow-ranger: this guide/build is perfect!
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" Tbh I feel that Neversink's right with the general assessement (Raider is in MOST cases stronger than Pathfinder as a league-starter). Raider is easier to play with bad-mediocre gear / without a T1-bow and offers more dmg with easier access to movement speed and frenzy charge generation. With GG-jewels and well-rolled gear/flasks, Pathfinder should outscale Raider eventually but this point has shifted a bit since the last patch. I expect the BIS-items for this build to be a LOT more expensive in the first 1-2 weeks (life-based meta, some Bow setups are ridicilously strong in 3.0) and Raider works quite decent with the more "offbeat"-stuff like QOTF, combined phys-ele-bow scaling, Windripper. It's not like you couldn't acquire a very early Kaom's/Belly/whatever, but there's a big knowledge+efficiency gap between you and some newer players.. That said, I don't like the original explanation either and pathfinder is still very much viable - as are a LOT of classes. (ASS-eye, ASS-raider, ele-raider/deadeye/assasin, all of the Ranger classes, Inquisitor). A lot comes down to personal preference (DPS? mapping? utility (flasks/charges)? single target/boss farming? solo/party? smooth leveling process?) On a side note: Am I mistaken or is the leechcluster completely removed now from the passive tree? Not sure if relying on the vinktar's uptime is enough without pathfinder+gg-gear. [boss hp-buff]. A comparison between some unique bows and/or rares would be nice too (might be confusing for players not so familiar with bow builds). Last edited by juerk#7020 on Aug 4, 2017, 7:08:29 AM
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