[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Colanth wrote:

The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.

/rant

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Bibolol wrote:

Hey,

quick question regarding the recent discussion about Vinktar Flask.
Which one would be the best in this build since there are 3 different.
Ty for any answer

P.S. any tips regarding what to upgrade next would be greatly appreciated as well

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N1ohöggr wrote:

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Colanth wrote:

The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.

/rant

There is a difference between what you intend to state (the substance of this guide is a WIP) and "PIECING TOGETHER THE GUIDE, LINKING ITEMS, CREATING PICTURES". When I read this, I think "substance is ok, form is not but I don't care".
I do agree on the fact that people are sometimes harsh for whatever justified (or not) reason. But maybe, just maybe, this time (I don't deny the quality of the past builds), the guide is a bit less polished whereas it is not flagged as a WIP (by the past, he used this flag). I would have preferred honesty about the fact that things might not work as intended.

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juerk wrote:

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N1ohöggr wrote:

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Colanth wrote:

The thing people seem to not understand is that there is a Huge message at the beginning stating that the guide is being updated. The League hasnt even been out for 2 weeks yet and everyone is going nuts over this. Neversink has a life and also plays this game as well. As for survivability, There's a post that even stats "Focus on defense". If you're going for balls out damage over your hp/res, no crap you're gonna get one shot. You're a BOW character. You shouldnt be facetanking anything. And the build is built around being mobile. We have CWDT/Eva/Acrobatics for those moment when we cant escape. The layered defense is a last resort. Your PLAYSTYLE is the first. I'm 83 now as the scion and I can say with complete certainty that I only die when "I" do something stupid. The build also states that you can ADAPT it. Need more HP? Take more nodes. If you have to choose between that 400dps bow that keeps you at 4k hp or gear that caps your res and throws you over 6k....Choose the damn gear. A dead DPS does no DPS. Bosses are stronger as well. They got hp buffed so this build isn't going to kill bosses as fast as it used to. And that's the same for ALL builds until you start dumping tons of EX into it. It's over 900 posts and 850+ are complaining/asking questions that have been answered into the ground.

/rant

There is a difference between what you intend to state (the substance of this guide is a WIP) and "PIECING TOGETHER THE GUIDE, LINKING ITEMS, CREATING PICTURES". When I read this, I think "substance is ok, form is not but I don't care".
I do agree on the fact that people are sometimes harsh for whatever justified (or not) reason. But maybe, just maybe, this time (I don't deny the quality of the past builds), the guide is a bit less polished whereas it is not flagged as a WIP (by the past, he used this flag). I would have preferred honesty about the fact that things might not work as intended.

Imo the people aren't really harsh considering the state of the guide. Following the 3.0 update Neversink covered a lot of the most important changes, improving the guide compared to 2.6 (passive tree, ascendacy, bow/quiver). That said, in 2.6, this guide was flatout bad. The people criticizing the guide are often experienced players and some of them liked the guide initially. But as of now, it's quite sad to see people making the same mistakes over the course of hundreds of pages. Not all of them are following the OPs guide well enough, but some are, and they could use some suggestions/help.

There are quite a bit of good bow guides out there which target a rather costly variant of the build (for example Signalshot in 2.6 or Ahfack's guide in 3.0). This guide could fulfill the same purpose for medium-budget gear - which would fit in really well because of a lot newer players / not experienced with bows reading here.

The gearing for bow builds isn't as straightforward as for 2H RT Sunder/EQ/insert a build. Starting from the necessity to get crit/accuracy on the gear+tree, the variety of the skill tree choices (ascendacies? pure phys conversion? ele bow/Windripper? phys conversion with some ele? pure cold conversion?), non-clear-cut supportgems - there are a lot of potentially confusing things out there.

Since hundreds of pages people struggle with life and single target. I'd bet that the best budget quiver option (as of now) which would help a lot is not mentioned in this guide. Neither are people focusing on equipping barrage in a pseudo-6l (or later 6l), getting a bow, which is suited for single target, or taking point blank. Starkonja's is mentioned in the guide, but remains an unpopular choice out here (we're talking about up to 100 flat life), people are still favouring maligaro's, I don't know, where to stop. Taking into account that belly+Kaom's are expensive in this league (surprise, surprise), the result is something like 3k life + no dmg...which is SO avoidable..