[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

Hey there,
Wanted to ask about Ascendancies.
What would be the strongest choice now?
What about frenzy charge raider with frenzy as a single target skill?
E1: What would be the best starting one?
Last edited by frankenik#0247 on Sep 3, 2016, 4:58:17 AM
Well it depends on what gear u have about assendancies....

Once u have good damage flasks (ToH, Vinkt(legacy is the goal), Atziri) pathfinder with surgeon's skill is something very OP.. U get all u want, speed, damage boost, insane life leach (u can skip life leach nods in tree)..The nodes are the same as the guide. Be sure to take master herbalist after compleeting Uber lab..We have chaos damage+physical, so poison is fucking great if u are fighting something tough and with lot's of things to evade (like double core)

The flasks are up all the time if u have 60%+ crit chance...U don't need antibleed now cause it's automatic on ANY FLASK use..
If u combine it with The retch belt.. well it's 10 seconds flask time.. Untill u have a Headhunter it's realy the BEst option..
the best thing as TS wrote is utility. u need defences? Switch 1 flask for jade.. U need running speed?
Switch 1 flask for quicksilver and so on...
I use 1 health flask (surgeon's) with antifreeze, Taste of Hate, Atziri's,and VotV(legacy) and 1 flask for situation(mostly it's quicksilver with+25%)...
By the way ,Legacy VotV stacks with wit PtL gem perfectly.
just give it a try u will forget about other assendancies forever ppl.. I tried all this guide offers, the one with flasks it the best.. Ur damage boost is triple higher, no other accendancy can rival that...


Sorry for my very bad english (not my native)
IGN:Jane_Has_A_Gun
Last edited by Dzz1rt#4733 on Sep 3, 2016, 6:11:48 AM
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Dzz1rt wrote:
Well it depends on what gear u have about assendancies....

Once u have good damage flasks (ToH, Vinkt(legacy is the goal), Atziri) pathfinder with surgeon's skill is something very OP.. U get all u want, speed, damage boost, insane life leach (u can skip life leach nods in tree)..The nodes are the same as the guide. Be sure to take master herbalist after compleeting Uber lab..We have chaos damage+physical, so poison is fucking great if u are fighting something tough and with lot's of things to evade (like double core)

The flasks are up all the time if u have 60%+ crit chance...U don't need antibleed now cause it's automatic on ANY FLASK use..
If u combine it with The retch belt.. well it's 10 seconds flask time.. Untill u have a Headhunter it's realy the BEst option..
the best thing as TS wrote is utility. u need defences? Switch 1 flask for jade.. U need running speed?
Switch 1 flask for quicksilver and so on...
I use 1 health flask (surgeon's) with antifreeze, Taste of Hate, Atziri's,and VotV(legacy) and 1 flask for situation(mostly it's quicksilver with+25%)...
just give it a try u will forget about other assendancies forever ppl.. I tried all this guide offers, the one with flasks it the best.. Ur damage boost is triple higher, no other accendancy can rival that...


Sorry for my very bad english (not my native)

Thank you so much for the detailed answer, I'll give it a try, since it has a lot of room for improvement and it has synergy even with the Basic flasks.
E1: Your english is fine, dont worry :)
Last edited by frankenik#0247 on Sep 3, 2016, 5:59:40 AM
Btw, anyone tried replacing WED for ICSM (crit multi), should deal more damage if u crit is 95%+ (as it should be on good gear). I mean for the normal TS combo (TS-GMP-PPAD-PTL-WED-FA) if we replace wed with crit multi? anyone tested?
IGN:Jane_Has_A_Gun
Hey I want to run this in 2.4, what is everyone's opinion on best class/ascendancy at the moment?
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Beginner friendly

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Not recommended for absolute beginners.

Can you remove this word "Beginner" from this topic ?
Last edited by DeadWalkerNightStalker#3203 on Sep 4, 2016, 7:20:11 AM
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DeadWalkerNightStalker wrote:
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Beginner friendly

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Not recommended for absolute beginners.

Can you remove this word "Beginner" from Name of topic ?

Read the whole sentence before asking writing.
He doesn't recommend for beginners only one setup of several. Vanilla TS is pretty cheap and beginers friendly
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Alternatively you can use an Assassin-Raider scion. This setup provides a high balance of Speed, Damage and utility. It can be used in all leagues and gear level. Not recommended for absolute beginners.
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ZerotuL wrote:
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DeadWalkerNightStalker wrote:
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Beginner friendly

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Not recommended for absolute beginners.

Can you remove this word "Beginner" from Name of topic ?

Read the whole sentence before asking writing.
He doesn't recommend for beginners only one setup of several. Vanilla TS is pretty cheap and beginers friendly
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Alternatively you can use an Assassin-Raider scion. This setup provides a high balance of Speed, Damage and utility. It can be used in all leagues and gear level. Not recommended for absolute beginners.

What difference between absolute beginners and another type of a beginners?
How many gradations beginners you know?
Last edited by DeadWalkerNightStalker#3203 on Sep 4, 2016, 8:38:25 AM
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Coatesy wrote:
Hey I want to run this in 2.4, what is everyone's opinion on best class/ascendancy at the moment?


I have a real hard time justifying anything that is not pathfinder these days.
Deadeye has some nice specific advantages, in the form of free chain/farshot/powerful prec. (but you feel like a wet paper towel after playing pathfinder.)

Raider is awful. never take raider. go assassin, trickster, or pathfinder if you even consider raider.

Pathfinder just wrecks though. huge defensive buffs in the form of flask effect, and flask charge gain/duration. 15-20% extra flask effect on a granite/jade flask 3k armor/evade, AND 15-20% flask effect on the +90-100% evade/armor during flask effect, from the of iron skin, etc you roll on it.
And thats just basic granite/jade. Nevermind Rumi's concoction. nevermind, witchfirebrew.
Master surgeon line frees up bleed removal on flasks, and gives flask recharge on bosses from crit, freeing up surgeon on flasks, again letting you run more unique flasks, or another utility like diamond/silver, etc. or, the elem line, which gives 8% elem dr, and elemental immunity. again, paired with flask effect granite, you are unkillable. (with pathfinder, don't take acrobatics, due to this. 15-20k armor from granite flasks, and base gear is better then the dodge.)
Vet bowyer's pen and extra damage is more damage for 2 points then avatar of the slaughter for 4, since its extra damage and pen, multiplying your damage.
Same deal with 100% poison on hit from master alch, for 2 points.. if you are phys based. And that also gives chaos resist..

you see, "pathfinder is good if your gear is good." alot. this is wrong. Pathfinder is totally broken if you gear is good. But it is still amazing, even if it is not. Even nonunique flasks get huge buffs, from pathfinder. Again, freeing up freeze/shock removal, or bleed removal, and surgeons. As well as the duration buffs to silver, diamond, and quicksilver. and general buffs to granite/jade double dipping of base+modifiers.
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Casia wrote:
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Coatesy wrote:
Hey I want to run this in 2.4, what is everyone's opinion on best class/ascendancy at the moment?


I have a real hard time justifying anything that is not pathfinder these days.
Deadeye has some nice specific advantages, in the form of free chain/farshot/powerful prec. (but you feel like a wet paper towel after playing pathfinder.)

Raider is awful. never take raider. go assassin, trickster, or pathfinder if you even consider raider.

Pathfinder just wrecks though. huge defensive buffs in the form of flask effect, and flask charge gain/duration. 15-20% extra flask effect on a granite/jade flask 3k armor/evade, AND 15-20% flask effect on the +90-100% evade/armor during flask effect, from the of iron skin, etc you roll on it.
And thats just basic granite/jade. Nevermind Rumi's concoction. nevermind, witchfirebrew.
Master surgeon line frees up bleed removal on flasks, and gives flask recharge on bosses from crit, freeing up surgeon on flasks, again letting you run more unique flasks, or another utility like diamond/silver, etc. or, the elem line, which gives 8% elem dr, and elemental immunity. again, paired with flask effect granite, you are unkillable. (with pathfinder, don't take acrobatics, due to this. 15-20k armor from granite flasks, and base gear is better then the dodge.)
Vet bowyer's pen and extra damage is more damage for 2 points then avatar of the slaughter for 4, since its extra damage and pen, multiplying your damage.
Same deal with 100% poison on hit from master alch, for 2 points.. if you are phys based. And that also gives chaos resist..

you see, "pathfinder is good if your gear is good." alot. this is wrong. Pathfinder is totally broken if you gear is good. But it is still amazing, even if it is not. Even nonunique flasks get huge buffs, from pathfinder. Again, freeing up freeze/shock removal, or bleed removal, and surgeons. As well as the duration buffs to silver, diamond, and quicksilver. and general buffs to granite/jade double dipping of base+modifiers.


Mkay I'll look into shadow, I couldnt find many guides on it though. But ill keep asking around. Still new so still trying to get my head around the game. Thanks for the reply.

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