[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Marthuk wrote:
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:
Seems weird to clear t15 and claim not finetuned. Hard to see anything when Character Tab is Private though.


Didnt realise it was private, you can see it now.

I clear t15 but i feel there is a lot more potential, i want to know where some flaws are :)


Oh boy, here we go. Hope you're ready for a wall of text.

Obviously a 6L chest, and lvl20 gems will help, but that'll come in time. I'm focused more on gear/tree.

rip
If you drop the Cloth & Chain + Survivalist clusters you can take 2 extra jewel sockets if you get some GG ones. Obviously you've taken those for the EVA scaling with Kintsugi (and to help with resists), and I assume you're already heading to the Revenge of the Hunted.

Upgrade a couple of pieces of gear and you can drop the need for resists on your amulet (weakest part of your gear IMO), freeing up slots for damage, you can get Crit Chance / Multi / Life / INT / Flat Phys / WED / All Res as a few options.

Get that +30 STR, +30 INT on gear if you can too. (use a +35 STR base belt rather than +40 Life), you can get 40+ INT on an Amulet easily, if not on rings. This frees up 2 passives that can go on the duelist jewel socket (giving you +10 str, so you need even less on your belt.) 2 damage + life jewel is worth it, and 3 prop + life is GG. Until you have jewels worth using, you can spend the 2 points getting Sniper + Proj Damage nodes, or getting closer to RotH. (Or on Weapon Artistry, 1 point for 16% phys, 4% AS, +10 Str)

It may be worth looking into using a Rare pair of EVA gloves over Maligaro's too, high base EVA / Life / 10+% Attack Speed / 80+% Res / Flat damage, this will make upgrading the rest of your gear easier, as it takes pressure off of getting resists on them. Your amulet slot can roll higher Multi than Maligaro's too, so you're not losing out on that part.



Pretty Low EVA, and Flat Lightning bc I'm running Voltaxic, but you get the idea.


Your flasks need some love too.
Drop the mana flask entirely if you can, I see no reason for needing it with your gear + duelist leech. (look out for the Leech if killed recently boot enchant if you really need it)
2 Life flasks when using Kintsugi, Atziri's Steps, Acro + Phase Acro? you should only need 1 Instant bleed remove really.

1 Instant / Half-Instant Life w/ Staunching

Surgeon's Jade of Reflexes.
[Surgeon's/Experimenter's] Silver of [Heat/Adrenaline]

This gives you 2 slots to play with, Atziri's is a strong choice for DPS boost + leech, Taste of Hate for mini Hatred + phys mitigation, or just another utility like a Basalt, or a Alchemists' Quicksilver of Adrenaline if you get freeze immunity on your Silver.

I noticed you haven't 4L your CWDT setup. You really should take advantage of the free Inc Duration.

is incredible, or you can run

for silly amounts of Dodge & Spell dodge for boss fights.

Your Rat's Nest has a a pretty bad CHC roll, I'd consider selling yours and buying a better roll, and to put towards a LA enchant one.


Your quiver is missing Crit Multi / Attack Speed / Flat Damage, and has a low WED roll, it should be a pretty easy upgrade.

Get a useful ench on your boots until you can use +1 Frenzy version. (10% MS when not hit, 16% Attack Speed after kill, .6% leech after kill)
You'll definitely want to look for +1 Frenzy boots and Amulet eventually too to take advantage of the Ascendancy.
+1 Frenzy Atziri's Steps are ~1EX on poe.trade, but that's you giving up your boot enchantment (which you might need to fix mana issues, idk)


If you can't be bothered to read through it all, here's the TL;DR:
First, buy:
Vaal Haste or Vaal Grace or both
a 20/20 Physical to Lightning (or a 1/20q to level, you're missing out on 10% dmg bc it's corrupted)
an Atziri's Promise
Useful Atziri's Step Enchant (10% MS, Leech, or AS on kill)

Then, prioritise:
upgrading your Amulet, Belt + Gloves. (Easier to do all at once because you can manage what resists you need) Use the 2 passives freed up on a jewel socket or nice nodes.
Upgrade quiver (lots of potential for damage)
Get a new Rat's Nest (higher CHC, work towards a LA ench perhaps)
+1 Frenzy Atziri's Steps
Taste of Hate

Eventually:
6L Chest (Do this last because the currency is better spent elsewhere for now)
GG rings
+1 Frenzy GG Amulet

Good luck.
Honestly I'm impressed he did a t15 clear with that gear (deathless? Suppose Abyss would actually be pretty easy)

I guess I don't allow myself to move up until hitting fundamental gear breakpoints.
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_KHIRI_ wrote:
Hey there!

I switched my 6L harbinger for a reach of the council and pushed my tooltip dps to about 85k with TS.

The Problem i'm having right now are ele reflect mobs...im oneshotting myself on them atm QQ


ATM im at 52% evasion and 40% dodge, resicaped and skilled into vaal pact.
I'm currently leveling a purity of lightning (50 to 60% of my dmg is lightning, the rest is phys+fire) to use instead of hatred but i dont think that this is going to be enough.


Do you guys have any idea to counter reflect other than decreasing my dps?


I used the "augmented" skill tree that's in the OP in a previous league. It worked really well for reflect mobs. There's also a nice section in the OP on reflect, I assume that you probably read that though? I just have a 5L but replacing the PTL (blue) and WED (red) for a increasedCriticalStrike (blue) and lifeGainOnHit (red) worked pretty well for elemental reflect. Of course that decreased dps quite a bit though. Even the augmented skill tree will sacrifice some dps. I think some dps has to be sacrificed to handle reflect. :-(
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:
Curious why you skipped out on Duelist Life Leech Nodes.

Also, lol @ PTL/WED still being the default gem setup in this guide. One shot people all day long :3


the funniest thing about PTL and WED is the fact that it does not even come close to the dps of a pure physical build with reach. and by not even close i mean the pure physical build does like quad damage compared to the dmg conversion elemental shenanigans
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Last edited by Kitaen#1639 on Jun 27, 2016, 7:29:28 PM
what is the point of using CWDT immortal call if ur not using daressos
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Morelikeew wrote:
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Marthuk wrote:
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:
Seems weird to clear t15 and claim not finetuned. Hard to see anything when Character Tab is Private though.


Didnt realise it was private, you can see it now.

I clear t15 but i feel there is a lot more potential, i want to know where some flaws are :)


Oh boy, here we go. Hope you're ready for a wall of text.

Obviously a 6L chest, and lvl20 gems will help, but that'll come in time. I'm focused more on gear/tree.

rip
If you drop the Cloth & Chain + Survivalist clusters you can take 2 extra jewel sockets if you get some GG ones. Obviously you've taken those for the EVA scaling with Kintsugi (and to help with resists), and I assume you're already heading to the Revenge of the Hunted.

Upgrade a couple of pieces of gear and you can drop the need for resists on your amulet (weakest part of your gear IMO), freeing up slots for damage, you can get Crit Chance / Multi / Life / INT / Flat Phys / WED / All Res as a few options.

Get that +30 STR, +30 INT on gear if you can too. (use a +35 STR base belt rather than +40 Life), you can get 40+ INT on an Amulet easily, if not on rings. This frees up 2 passives that can go on the duelist jewel socket (giving you +10 str, so you need even less on your belt.) 2 damage + life jewel is worth it, and 3 prop + life is GG. Until you have jewels worth using, you can spend the 2 points getting Sniper + Proj Damage nodes, or getting closer to RotH. (Or on Weapon Artistry, 1 point for 16% phys, 4% AS, +10 Str)

It may be worth looking into using a Rare pair of EVA gloves over Maligaro's too, high base EVA / Life / 10+% Attack Speed / 80+% Res / Flat damage, this will make upgrading the rest of your gear easier, as it takes pressure off of getting resists on them. Your amulet slot can roll higher Multi than Maligaro's too, so you're not losing out on that part.



Pretty Low EVA, and Flat Lightning bc I'm running Voltaxic, but you get the idea.


Your flasks need some love too.
Drop the mana flask entirely if you can, I see no reason for needing it with your gear + duelist leech. (look out for the Leech if killed recently boot enchant if you really need it)
2 Life flasks when using Kintsugi, Atziri's Steps, Acro + Phase Acro? you should only need 1 Instant bleed remove really.

1 Instant / Half-Instant Life w/ Staunching

Surgeon's Jade of Reflexes.
[Surgeon's/Experimenter's] Silver of [Heat/Adrenaline]

This gives you 2 slots to play with, Atziri's is a strong choice for DPS boost + leech, Taste of Hate for mini Hatred + phys mitigation, or just another utility like a Basalt, or a Alchemists' Quicksilver of Adrenaline if you get freeze immunity on your Silver.

I noticed you haven't 4L your CWDT setup. You really should take advantage of the free Inc Duration.

is incredible, or you can run

for silly amounts of Dodge & Spell dodge for boss fights.

Your Rat's Nest has a a pretty bad CHC roll, I'd consider selling yours and buying a better roll, and to put towards a LA enchant one.


Your quiver is missing Crit Multi / Attack Speed / Flat Damage, and has a low WED roll, it should be a pretty easy upgrade.

Get a useful ench on your boots until you can use +1 Frenzy version. (10% MS when not hit, 16% Attack Speed after kill, .6% leech after kill)
You'll definitely want to look for +1 Frenzy boots and Amulet eventually too to take advantage of the Ascendancy.
+1 Frenzy Atziri's Steps are ~1EX on poe.trade, but that's you giving up your boot enchantment (which you might need to fix mana issues, idk)


If you can't be bothered to read through it all, here's the TL;DR:
First, buy:
Vaal Haste or Vaal Grace or both
a 20/20 Physical to Lightning (or a 1/20q to level, you're missing out on 10% dmg bc it's corrupted)
an Atziri's Promise
Useful Atziri's Step Enchant (10% MS, Leech, or AS on kill)

Then, prioritise:
upgrading your Amulet, Belt + Gloves. (Easier to do all at once because you can manage what resists you need) Use the 2 passives freed up on a jewel socket or nice nodes.
Upgrade quiver (lots of potential for damage)
Get a new Rat's Nest (higher CHC, work towards a LA ench perhaps)
+1 Frenzy Atziri's Steps
Taste of Hate

Eventually:
6L Chest (Do this last because the currency is better spent elsewhere for now)
GG rings
+1 Frenzy GG Amulet

Good luck.




Thank you very much for your time!Already switching items :)

My question : What are GG jewels and rings?
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Marthuk wrote:
Thank you very much for your time!Already switching items :)

My question : What are GG jewels and rings?



A jewel that has 3 very good properties that boost your DPS, and +% Life


From


Tier0: (~worth 1.2 nodes): Attack Speed with Bows (6-8%), Increased Maximum Life (5-7%)
Tier1: (~worth 1 nodes):PhysDamage (14-16%), PhysDamage with Bows (14-16%), Hybrid Crit/Accuracy (6-10% each), Life Leech
Tier2: (~worth 0.7 nodes) AttackSpeed (3-5%), Evasion (14-18%), Crit Chance (8-12%), Crit Multiplier (6-8%), Mana on Hit, Projectile Damage (10-12%)
Tier3: (~worth 0.5 nodes) Resistances, Attributes, Accuracy, Attack/Cast Speed, Mana Leech, %Damage (8-10%), %Lightning Damage
Tier4: Rest



http://poe.trade/search/kokukurusekiku

A link for 2 prop + life, and there's no 3 prop + life jewels on Prophecy at the minute.

As for your rings you'd just be on the lookout for perfect rings, yours look to be in a pretty good spot. Probably Diamond base, high Life, Flat Phys, WED, Resists, Accuracy. (INT on one if you don't get it on your Amulet)


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Alreatha wrote:
what is the point of using CWDT immortal call if ur not using daressos


It still gives a brief period of immunity to phys spike damage, and is an absolute godsend vs Porcupine packs. You can always self cast Enduring Cry if you're desperate for the extra duration, but I've found there's not really any need.
Last edited by Morelikeew#4171 on Jun 28, 2016, 6:20:05 AM
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Kitaen wrote:
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:
Curious why you skipped out on Duelist Life Leech Nodes.

Also, lol @ PTL/WED still being the default gem setup in this guide. One shot people all day long :3


the funniest thing about PTL and WED is the fact that it does not even come close to the dps of a pure physical build with reach. and by not even close i mean the pure physical build does like quad damage compared to the dmg conversion elemental shenanigans


With a 5-L Reach and Tornado Shot, what gems are the best?
Hi all!

I just tried LA for the first time and I found it awesome! However, with PTL and LA I have 0 physical damage which means I wont get the benefit from physical damage leech and I find myself on low life prety often. So now I'm running TS again as it better helps me negate the degenerate of Blood Rage.

I'm running 5L for now. If using LA, should I swap PTL to something else to benefit from the phys damage leech? If so, to what? And what are the best supports for LA (with Reach of the Council)?
How many regrets i need for changing into the augmented skilltree? it looks like as i must reset the completly build.
Last edited by m1nx#0107 on Jun 28, 2016, 2:07:04 PM

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