[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:


I already do.

Skill tree not set in stone, mate.



Yes, you're right. Btw, what is that green CONC gem we link to blast rain?
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Kimbergg wrote:
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:


I already do.

Skill tree not set in stone, mate.



Yes, you're right. Btw, what is that green CONC gem we link to blast rain?


Rip graphics

Should probably be updated :P

Fake Temp League Elitists LUL
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:
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Kimbergg wrote:
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:


I already do.

Skill tree not set in stone, mate.



Yes, you're right. Btw, what is that green CONC gem we link to blast rain?


Rip graphics

Should probably be updated :P


Oh, okay, thanks.
Hi,

could anyone please enlighten me about the PTL+WED vs AFD+ICD(or smth) question?

As far as I unserstand PTL is about shocking and the bonus dmg from it, but I see many other guides where they link TS with AFD.

Just how many crit chance, and how many dps is needed for this, to be better than added fire?
Or is it better in every scenario?

Does PTL+WED requires the use of HoT or is Hatred+HoA good enough?

Thanks
Last edited by rapiddani87#3115 on May 31, 2016, 9:44:24 AM
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rapiddani87 wrote:
Hi,

could anyone please enlighten me about the PTL+WED vs AFD+ICD(or smth) question?

As far as I unserstand PTL is about shocking and the bonus dmg from it, but I see many other guides where they link TS with AFD.

Just how many crit chance, and how many dps is needed for this, to be better than added fire?
Or is it better in every scenario?

Does PTL+WED requires the use of HoT or is Hatred+HoA good enough?

Thanks


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648334 - from my own guide:

"A) I find Increased Critical Strikes + Added Fire vastly superior compared to Physical to Lightning + Weapon elemental damage.
Yes PTL + WED gives you a slightly higher tooltip dps. However there are huge drawbacks - especially in endgame top tier maps. You are even more susceptible to elemental equilibrium and high enemy elemental resistances. Physical damage is in most circumstances a better damage source.
Also the ICS gem makes sure our crit chance is even higher which also increased our survivability with Acuity equipped. Also this setup is safer vs. reflect since we split our damage equally between physical and elemental - this is especially important if you do not have acuity yet."

Now keep in mind - my build and the quote above is aimed towards endgame content. That means T14-15 maps and Uber Atziri - content in which elemental resistance is usually very high and thus elemental damage becomes worse. If you are just running T7-10 maps it really does not matter much - elemental dmg will usually work just fine. You should of course disregard the part about instant leech if you do not have acuity :)

However I almost always use (even without Acuity) AFD + ICS - imo it better in most circumstances - including map mods such as elemental equilibrium and elemental resistance.
Last edited by Frankenberry#0590 on May 31, 2016, 1:02:10 PM
I think I'm going for a TS/Puncture build in the new league. Nothing really fancy with crazy mechanics. Just some solid physical damage build with high crit chance.

TS-GMP-PPD-FA-AFD-(ICS)
Puncture - PPD - ICS - ICD - (Faster Attacks) (or if I manage to get two six-links: trap and point blank)

Atziri, I'm coming for you.

IGN: ArrowInYourForsakenKnee
Just a small question:
Why isn't assassin totally overpowered for a bow build?

You take Unstable Infusion, Deadly Infusion, Toxic Delivery and Noxious Strike. The damage buff you get from deadly infusion is quite good, but i feel f.e. on a phys damage tornado shot you get insane value out of the bleed and posion. I made this tree http://goo.gl/ONRYqJ and the defenses are okayish but with the synergie of between toxic delivery and noxius strike it feels like the damage will be way too high.

For main gem setup i like
TS - GMP - PPAD - ICSM - poison(!)
If you use a poison support you are very likely to get the full synergy between the above mentioned ascendencys going, so the enemys will be maimed, you get more chaos damage, skill effect duration and your dots do 100% more damage. Because you have 190% projectile damage and some other % damage too it feels like this build should be way too strong damage wise.
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lophius wrote:
Just a small question:
Why isn't assassin totally overpowered for a bow build?

You take Unstable Infusion, Deadly Infusion, Toxic Delivery and Noxious Strike. The damage buff you get from deadly infusion is quite good, but i feel f.e. on a phys damage tornado shot you get insane value out of the bleed and posion. I made this tree http://goo.gl/ONRYqJ and the defenses are okayish but with the synergie of between toxic delivery and noxius strike it feels like the damage will be way too high.

For main gem setup i like
TS - GMP - PPAD - ICSM - poison(!)
If you use a poison support you are very likely to get the full synergy between the above mentioned ascendencys going, so the enemys will be maimed, you get more chaos damage, skill effect duration and your dots do 100% more damage. Because you have 190% projectile damage and some other % damage too it feels like this build should be way too strong damage wise.


I have an alt I'm leveling with this idea.

Issue I've had with Shadow is that Life Nodes are not that favorable to path to, IE, you can't get easy access to Scion Life Wheel unless you make some big sacrifices. For example your tree has:

- 146% increased maximum Life

That's already pretty damn scary imo, most of the builds I have are pushing at least 180% and I'd always want more %Life. More damage in my philosophy is always meh, you deal 0 DPS when you are dead/get one shot, and the stakes get higher as you do more damage since Life Leech only does so much against Reflect.
Fake Temp League Elitists LUL
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Frankenberry wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648334 - from my own guide:

"A) I find Increased Critical Strikes + Added Fire vastly superior compared to Physical to Lightning + Weapon elemental damage.
Yes PTL + WED gives you a slightly higher tooltip dps. However there are huge drawbacks - especially in endgame top tier maps. You are even more susceptible to elemental equilibrium and high enemy elemental resistances. Physical damage is in most circumstances a better damage source.
Also the ICS gem makes sure our crit chance is even higher which also increased our survivability with Acuity equipped. Also this setup is safer vs. reflect since we split our damage equally between physical and elemental - this is especially important if you do not have acuity yet."

Now keep in mind - my build and the quote above is aimed towards endgame content. That means T14-15 maps and Uber Atziri - content in which elemental resistance is usually very high and thus elemental damage becomes worse. If you are just running T7-10 maps it really does not matter much - elemental dmg will usually work just fine. You should of course disregard the part about instant leech if you do not have acuity :)

However I almost always use (even without Acuity) AFD + ICS - imo it better in most circumstances - including map mods such as elemental equilibrium and elemental resistance.


Thank you for your answer :) I will try it.
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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

I have an alt I'm leveling with this idea.

Issue I've had with Shadow is that Life Nodes are not that favorable to path to, IE, you can't get easy access to Scion Life Wheel unless you make some big sacrifices. For example your tree has:

- 146% increased maximum Life

That's already pretty damn scary imo, most of the builds I have are pushing at least 180% and I'd always want more %Life. More damage in my philosophy is always meh, you deal 0 DPS when you are dead/get one shot, and the stakes get higher as you do more damage since Life Leech only does so much against Reflect.


You are right and i have already adapted the build. My new tree is http://goo.gl/6E63aF
It has 178% increased max life and 160% increased evasion, so base defense stats are quite acceptable for a bow build. I'm planning on using atziri's step and my new new gems setup is
TS - GMP - PPAD - pierce - poison

Some things to think of are using frenzy instead of tornado shot and maybe use drillneck/snakebite. Overall getting damage shouldn't be a problem.
For auras i would take purity of cold and arctic armour, for flasks taste of hate, basalt and maybe atziris promise. I'm thinking about using the chaos golem.

With these auras and stuff you should have enough physical damage reduction and elemental resi even if you use either snakebite or drillneck. If you use both and rats nest you might have a chance to get max resi with purity of elements instead of arctic armour.

As a chest i'm thinking about a 5 linked queen of the forest for a long time.

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