Don't put brand new players by default into Gauntlet leagues

What?

If you make a new character, the default league selected is whichever league you were playing in most recently.

Do we have any actual evidence that brand new players are being put into Phrecia, or is this entire thread based on literally nothing? Because if we're talking about someone who has never played Path of Exile before, doesn't know anything about anything, and they're looking at these 5 options:



How is it not common sense to pick "Standard?" And if they walk down the beach and get blasted by Maven-Hillock, why are we just assuming they wouldn't go back to the character creation screen and try a different game mode?

What even is this thread?

Also, for what it's worth, I beat the Phrecia campaign using Frost Wall. As in, the build I was playing was casting a 6L Frost Wall for the purposes of dealing damage, and killing enemies and bosses with it. So let's not pretend that this campaign was all that difficult for people above the bottom 10%.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

The gauntlet campaign isn't even hard in hcssf once you know what to expect. The only requirement is that you actually pay attention in the campaign and try and get your character to have proper stats in the campaign instead of corpse rushing like a little kid in minecraft.

I prefer corpse rushing the campaign and getting it done quick, so I can get to the real game: endgame mapping

"Quick" and "taking 10h+" doesn't exactly go hand in hand now, does it?

On that note the majority of players don't make it to maps, let alone to high tier ones. This suggests that your definition of the "real game" might be different from the average player.

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Celestriad#0304 wrote:

"Quick" and "taking 10h+" doesn't exactly go hand in hand now, does it?

I speedran the campaign in 7 hours in my last practice run, while dying 13 times and spending a long time checking town vendors and messing around. Could probably do it faster if I actually used the meta leveling gems TM like Rolling Magma, but I don't like having to aim it and I'm lazy.

Yes, I do speak for the majority of players, because I play SC Trade. The gamemode played by the majority of players.


Whatever though, the point is nobody asked for the fake difficulty gauntlet nonsense in this event. People wanted to have some fun and were scammed out of it. This event was solely made for streamer clip farming and the 0.01%, nobody else.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Yes, I do speak for the majority of players, because I play SC Trade. The gamemode played by the majority of players.

Nah. You speak for yourself and that's it. Playing the same game mode as the majority doesn't mean you're their voice. This is an objective fact.

As for the topic, in my opinion the mods are fine and should find their way into the core game. It's what the campaign needs, a little spice never hurt anyone.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

What?

If you make a new character, the default league selected is whichever league you were playing in most recently.

Do we have any actual evidence that brand new players are being put into Phrecia, or is this entire thread based on literally nothing? Because if we're talking about someone who has never played Path of Exile before, doesn't know anything about anything, and they're looking at these 5 options:



How is it not common sense to pick "Standard?" And if they walk down the beach and get blasted by Maven-Hillock, why are we just assuming they wouldn't go back to the character creation screen and try a different game mode?

What even is this thread?

Also, for what it's worth, I beat the Phrecia campaign using Frost Wall. As in, the build I was playing was casting a 6L Frost Wall for the purposes of dealing damage, and killing enemies and bosses with it. So let's not pretend that this campaign was all that difficult for people above the bottom 10%.

Why so quick at accusing me of lying ?

(And have you not looked at Phrecia 2.0 global chat lately, with all the first time players ?)

Fine, here's one example of a brand new player. Note that the league selection screen never shows up.

(It's the same if using mouse and keyboard.)

Though even worse, looks like that if the resolution is low enough (or is that due to console ?), nor the name of the league, neither the option to change it, show up ? (that one was before Phrecia)

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BlueTemplar85#0647 wrote:

Why so quick at accusing me of lying ?

I didn't, I asked you to validate your claims because that's how conversations work. If you're the one claiming that there is a problem, you really do need to come with any evidence that the problem is actually happening outside of your head. As in, that needs to be literally the second line of the OP.

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(And have you not looked at Phrecia 2.0 global chat lately, with all the first time players ?)

Of course not. But let's presume, for argument's sake, that the 4Chan message board that is softcore public global chat is even remotely useful for gauging broad player sentiment. Where are all of those people? Why are THEY not making threads describing their issues? It's almost like this isn't a real problem, and global chat is just sitting around complaining like they always do. I swear I had this same exact conversation re: the actual Ziz Gauntlet not even a month ago... how is it not common sense that there's a strong selection bias in "the people who would rather use the game as a chatroom?"

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Fine, here's one example of a brand new player. Note that the league selection screen never shows up.

(It's the same if using mouse and keyboard.)

Though even worse, looks like that if the resolution is low enough (or is that due to console ?), nor the name of the league, neither the option to change it, show up ? (that one was before Phrecia)

The character creation screen on console is different from the one on PC. If this problem that you're describing only exists on console, you're complaining in the wrong section of the forums. And if the problem DOES exist on PC, you still need to demonstrate it otherwise this is a complaint based on nothing, on behalf of people we have no reason to believe exist because their existence has not yet been demonstrated.

But just for fun, let's assume that this is actually a problem, and first time players who refuse to read league descriptions are being mass-dumped in Phrecia and getting farmed by Hillock. I'm pretty sure this part of my post still applies:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

How is it not common sense to pick "Standard?" And if they walk down the beach and get blasted by Maven-Hillock, why are we just assuming they wouldn't go back to the character creation screen and try a different game mode?

So I ask again, how is this even a problem? How would it EVER be a problem? Players who can't beat Hillock and refuse to engage with the game at the bare minimum level of "read what's on your screen" are clearly not going to make it to maps regardless of whether or not they're fighting Phrecia bosses. It's called getting filtered, and it's a GOOD thing because a game easy enough for literally everyone to play without absorbing any information is a game so easy that nobody should want to play it.

Fact if the matter. Some people want this game to be like CoD or fortnite. Where you just login and you have everything already and you just play the game at that level.

That is not what an arpg is.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Yes, I do speak for the majority of players, because I play SC Trade. The gamemode played by the majority of players.

Playing the same game mode as many others does not grant anyone the authority to speak on their behalf. Participating in SC Trade simply means you are one of many individuals in that environment. It does not transform personal perspective into a collective mandate.

What you are always expressing is your view, shaped by your own experience, preferences, and results. That is perfectly valid as an individual stance. What it is not, however, is verified consensus. The majority of players are not a monolith, and they certainly have not elected a spokesperson. Without broad data or demonstrable evidence, claiming to represent them is an overreach.

There is an important distinction between saying “this is how I experience the game” and declaring “this is how most players experience the game.” The first invites discussion. The second attempts to close it by appealing to an undefined crowd.

If anything, the diversity of feedback within the same game mode proves the opposite of your claim. Players in SC Trade vary widely in skill level, goals, progression pace, and expectations. Your experience reflects one tiny slice of that spectrum, not its entirety.

So let us keep the conversation grounded. Speak for yourself. Argue your position strongly if you wish. But do not present personal opinion as majority consensus simply because you happen to share the same queue.

To add to that, I believe that your point of view of the game does not fit into the arpg mold. You do not enjoy achieving anything, progression, customization, experimentation, etc. You like getting to the endgame and grinding on the same build every league and detest everything that happens in the middle.

While there are more people that play non-arpgs and the types of gotcha games that you seem to prefer. That is not what makes a game good. GGG set out on the poe journey to make a really good game. Not to make the most "popular" game in the world.

By that metric Diablo 4 and D2r are better games than poe. We all know that is not true though. Unless of course blizzard lies about their player number metrics.

Well said, VoidWhisperer42 !

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

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BlueTemplar85#0647 wrote:

Why so quick at accusing me of lying ?

I didn't, I asked you to validate your claims because that's how conversations work. If you're the one claiming that there is a problem, you really do need to come with any evidence that the problem is actually happening outside of your head. As in, that needs to be literally the second line of the OP.

Well, this is kind of awkward, since we ALL went through those different first time screens...
(at least since Act 5 was added ?)
but of course that's also something easily forgotten.

But hopefully, GGG does have people that keep these details in mind
(even if they might not realise the interaction with events on top of challenge leagues ??)

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(And have you not looked at Phrecia 2.0 global chat lately, with all the first time players ?)

Of course not. But let's presume, for argument's sake, that the 4Chan message board that is softcore public global chat is even remotely useful for gauging broad player sentiment. Where are all of those people? Why are THEY not making threads describing their issues? It's almost like this isn't a real problem, and global chat is just sitting around complaining like they always do. I swear I had this same exact conversation re: the actual Ziz Gauntlet not even a month ago... how is it not common sense that there's a strong selection bias in "the people who would rather use the game as a chatroom?"

Now you're being borderline insulting to people in chat.
These people are brand new, why do you expect them to even know about the existence of these forums ?

(Did this issue apply to Ziz' Gauntlet ?
Also, what Gauntlet, wasn't the last one in July ?
Did you confuse it with the non-Gauntlet Keepers race ?
Did this issue apply to it ?)

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Fine, here's one example of a brand new player. Note that the league selection screen never shows up.

(It's the same if using mouse and keyboard.)

Though even worse, looks like that if the resolution is low enough (or is that due to console ?), nor the name of the league, neither the option to change it, show up ? (that one was before Phrecia)

The character creation screen on console is different from the one on PC. If this problem that you're describing only exists on console, you're complaining in the wrong section of the forums. And if the problem DOES exist on PC, you still need to demonstrate it otherwise this is a complaint based on nothing, on behalf of people we have no reason to believe exist because their existence has not yet been demonstrated.

I'm pretty sure that CommmanderX7 is playing on PC. Because you see him at points having a cursor on screen. And then later typing in chat.
But I can't be totally sure, do console versions of PoE1 also support mouse and keyboard ?
Are there any other noticeable differences between PC and console versions ? (Between different consoles ?)
For zillart_24 I am very certain they are on console, because you can see them going through PlayStation Network Account screens.

But ok, here's yet another example of this issue, where they are on mouse & keyboard. (And pretty sure that they're on PC too, because it says "Login via Steam" on the popup.)

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But just for fun, let's assume that this is actually a problem, and first time players who refuse to read league descriptions are being mass-dumped in Phrecia and getting farmed by Hillock.

I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding the problem on purpose or if you're trolling at this point ?
Again, the main problem is that they do NOT get shown the screen with league descriptions, unless they go out of their way to find it.
(Seemingly even worse if the resolution is low and/or on some consoles, with even the 'league' button and league name missing.)

(And yet another issue is that GGG doesn't say in the description of Phrecia 2.0 on even the screen with league descriptions that it's Gauntlet, that it's much harder than even normal Keepers. (And doesn't say that it's Keepers too either.))

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I'm pretty sure this part of my post still applies:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

How is it not common sense to pick "Standard?" And if they walk down the beach and get blasted by Maven-Hillock, why are we just assuming they wouldn't go back to the character creation screen and try a different game mode?

So I ask again, how is this even a problem? How would it EVER be a problem? Players who can't beat Hillock and refuse to engage with the game at the bare minimum level of "read what's on your screen" are clearly not going to make it to maps regardless of whether or not they're fighting Phrecia bosses. It's called getting filtered, and it's a GOOD thing because a game easy enough for literally everyone to play without absorbing any information is a game so easy that nobody should want to play it.

Because, yet again, the players might not even realise at this point that there ARE different game modes !
Just « League : Phrecia 2.0 » is meaningless for a brand new player (assuming they even notice it, and remember it by that point, lots of other new information...) (and neither even shows on consoles and/or low resolution, like in the example of zillart_24).
And it's not regular Hillock that we're talking about.
And when they're at Hillock it's not like they had to engage much with reading besides the starting skill gem and support gem, they might not even have leveled up and seen the TREE yet !
And did not even have the opportunity to try other skills either.

(Another, harder, discussion might be about Gauntlet Hillock balance (also, and even mostly, for experienced players) in melee vs ranged, since it also impacts HardCore Gauntlet : without stash access the melee characters are heavily disadvantaged.)

And also why do you seem to presume that someone that never makes it to maps cannot enjoy PoE1 ? The campaign is pretty good, you know ?

And who said anything about making the game itself easier ? This is about not funnelling brand new players by default into the hardest mode(s). Why are there even people debating against this ??