Isn't it possible to just play and enjoy the game without refering to a build guide ?
Personally I use build guides just to look for optimizations for some mechanics, copying builds is not my thing. Usually I take mostly damage (tabula rasa, <3k hp, capped elemental resists, negative chaos resist) until I reach T16 maps, then once I can clear them comfortably, I start building defenses.
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" Thanks a lot for the detailed and comprehensive answer. That's a lot of food for thought and I must admit is a bit disheartening. I am currently focusing on a 2HS Duelist, Armour-Life-Evasion, with Impale as my main mechanic with a side of Bleeding and Fortify. I have a basic idea of the nodes I want but already had to switch some choice to cover lack of mana (will possibly reset later as it's more an issue of confort with less pot-shugging than a real bottleneck). My main obstacle is clearly the lack of visibility on the existing skill-gems and items to cover the rest of the character build. And I am expecting to face trouble notably with my resistance later on. I didn't read guides because it's hard to know wich one is valid or not but I regularly spendt time on the wiki and googling forums when I encounter a new mechanic. By example I discovered Impale was somewhat projectile/distance related with the Call of Steel skill and had to decide if I want to adjust that way or not. Could possibly means I will need two actual build to make my mind or just switch The Impaler and Iron Grip ? |
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It seems you're off to a great start.
Phys damage + impale with skills is absolutely a fantastic start. Slayer and Champion are great starts for phys melee and phys attack builds that sometimes includes projectiles. If you're not going to put a lot of effort into the Strength stat then Iron Grip isn't valuable. My recommendation is to look up builds on Poe.ninja and see what other people did. From there you can get a rough idea of what you should do. Rerolling is one of my favorite parts of coming up with builds. Or at least it was. I don't have to do it so much anymore. I forgot to mention that this game is more like a hobby ARPG. Think of games like Magic the Gathering and Warhammer. It takes a lot of time to get the game knowledge and know a lot of the interactions. I can't see your character so I can't be sure of what I can say that can help. Have you learned how to use Path of Building yet? If you can post the POe.ninja link or the build code under a "spoiler" then I'll take a quick look and see what advice I can give you. Duelist is "my jam" as Henry Caville said about Warhamer once! Last edited by MLongPoE#2384 on Jun 4, 2025, 9:53:08 AM
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" You haven't read what i've written if you think I said universally follow a build guide, I said its the best thing for new players because I genuinely believe that not that it isn't enjoyable to do so without which was their question. You are also drastically overestimating how many players will actually enjoy working through it, there is very little supporting evidence of this and my motivation is to have another player in the game (hopefully in HC) because that makes the game richer, not just drop players because they are struggling and overwhelmed. OP is clearly putting some work in they are reading the wiki and extrapolating so its probably right for them to not bother, but I hope they will ask for help when they start to struggle so we can help them out a bit. Again though this kind of behaviour is unusual, most players will get very frustrated if told to read the wiki when their build sucks lol. Some other posters are raising an important point which I didn't bother covering though which is that many build guides are bogus, probably a bit naive on my part as we've been so long without a new league but you guys are 100% right on this and following a fake guide will kill players off faster than anything. So i'll amend my statement to I think the best thing for new players is to follow an established up to date build guide to get their feet :p Edit: Also Cowmoo I don't fundamentally disagree with your statement only about how many people it applies to, everything you are advocating is right for the people it works for (like me personally years ago) i'm only disagreeing on that its the right general approach when my experience with players coming to the game has taught me otherwise. Last edited by Draegnarrr#2823 on Jun 4, 2025, 11:36:33 AM
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" Here is my "current" build
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and here is what my first draft "end goal" is but I insist on first draft and its evident I will trim and adjust a lot as I discover more of the game.
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The main difficulty is understanding what to prioritize and also give a value on gem socket and +30 stats nodes. Many thanks on your time. P.S. Ok, live and learn I just discovered that I need one passive point for the Passive mastery :D so I am lacking a lot of point and need to remake it Last edited by IKerensky#7242 on Jun 4, 2025, 12:47:26 PM
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Unfortunately, it's missing the skills and gear so I can't be 100% sure what yo'ure trying to do. Without that information, I am not sure what I can tell you.
I can say, try to plan your build up to 117 passive points b/c after that, it's actually pretty hard/time consuming to gain levels. If you rely on that last 6 points too much, you might find your build never quite get to full. Typically, it's best practice to have full passive tree built by 94 to 97 tops. Some people have their builds pretty much done by 88 and everything after is just for funzies. I think your tree looks pretty on point for a Champion ascendeny as a whole. It's a matter of skills and gear at that point. |
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" I finally managed to export my character so you can see a bit more what I am doing. Even if I don't have final equipment and skill gem yet (notably missing an Impale support one.
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I usually do a Intimidating Cry followed by A Vigilant strike in order to maintain my Fortification Stack every 8secs. I will probably drop the VS when I ascend as I possibly will have a better source of Fortification as a Champion. My main damage skill is the Double Strike that I will try make as fast and impaling as possible. The Holy Relic is a free source of Heal and can generate some ghosts against bosses and elites , autonomously. I put the Vaal Cleave here because I could use it to clean up some events and it benefit from Summon apparition. The Defiance Banner is here to be leveled but I don't use it as that's one button too much and I am tanky enough right now. Should use it for boss fight probably. Now that my evasion got "decent" I am homing for the Harponner Impaler node to get more impale then the Fortification node to help with my ascension. |
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If it's your first or second character, you should absolutely go ahead and experiment and do what feels best while learning the game's mechanics in my opinion.
Although at some point it may be a good idea to look at guides or internet builds to learn some tricks, and really what works best. Just type in "[your main skill] build" on google/youtube and there's a 99% chance some people have done it, and you can surely grab a few pages from their book. Experimenting is great, but at some point you may also want to take advice from the veterans. Don't worry about this at first, you don't have to beat the game in 2 days. At some point though, you will feel like you need to progress your character faster, then you can really gain from looking at and trying internet builds. As long as you're having fun experimenting on your own character you're good. If you are starting to get frustrated because you are hitting a wall you can't pass, then surely the internet will have your back. Last edited by LFA01#0120 on Jun 9, 2025, 6:43:49 PM
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