🌬️⛵☁️[3.25] The dirty Scorpion-tail|Chaos-Necromancy|Herald of Agony CI-Arachnophobia Allstars|600M+

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Spacecom wrote:

Well we have 600M+ DPS. But can't be also super tanky. Something we take something we give. It is expected to die a few times, like lose all portals before you even meet the boss of the map.

I understand you, but 50kk DPS would be enough for me, but not to die so often.

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Vjsman wrote:

To be honest, I am very disappointed with what I managed to do, about 350+div were invested in the build, the equipment seems to be good but I can't close T16 without dying, I die constantly despite the fact that in the build I have to press a bunch of buttons. If the map has a mod to reduce auras = death, reduce block = death, no regen = death, if there is none of this, I still die often despite 85 resistances and 4k EC, as well as immunity to elemental states, immunity to bleeding and ignite. The only thing I couldn't find suitable armor for the 100% spell suppression and i took ghost dance, but I think this will not help in any way, I don't even know what to do next.
It's my pob https://pobb.in/AQXZDkv4QIEt (I don't know why it shows less ES, actually I have 4k)

In pob you probably missed to activate discipline to show reserved mana and es.

Like you write yourself: you miss 5 important layers of defences of the build, you could obtain 300% more ehp with 300% more damage and and then you did not read the "checklist defences" for the tipps of rolling of mapmods further?

On first sight you miss:

You have no stacked poisonchances for HoA-virulences (edited: sorry, pobb.in did not displayed your poison o hit tattoos, your 85% are great), no implicits on shield and boots and rings, low 17% spellblock, low 80% spellsuppression, no crit-immunities etc.? No quartzflask with mageblood? Why wasting a slot for stormshroud? Why Unnatural instinct? Why do you are early going crits without much critting? Why 2 instead 3 grand spectrums? Miss overcapped resis? Why do you use 3 curses while you are having the curse-limit of 2? Why do you use temporal chains when you do not use HoA-poison? No autotriggered damage? No voidsphere, tempestshield? Why ghost dance on SoL instead magebane, divine shield, lethe shade, crit-immunities etc.? No stacked withers? No frostshield?

I have less blocks than in your pob because with the aura on the tempest shield there is not enough mana regen even with the gem to recoup mana from enemy attacks, the only thing that gave enough mana regeneration is clarity, I also have 80% spell suppression unlike your pob because there was no good armor with a magebane and i took ghostdance, but I experimented and even when I take tempest shield aura it did not help me not to die, so I left the clarity aura and took the stone.
Unnatural instinct - this saved a lot of skill points
Quartzflask - I didn't think about it, at first I thought I'd take it in the mage armor, I think I can replace it with this one, though? instead dodge?

1."You have no stacked poisonchances for HoA-virulences" - I have tattoos and the chance of poisoning is 80 or 85% or are you talking about something else?
2."no implicits" - Because there are no such rings on sale with arcane surge. Aurora 4-5% block spell damage? I can buy this, but what to do when the block does not work?
3. Spellsuppression - this is really missing I said it myself because there was no armor with a magebane and the right colors on sale, I think a quartz flask can fix this.
4.Stormshroud it gives me immunity to Elemental Aliments It was easier to do than to look for it in the equipment.
5.Unnatural instinct - Why didn't you like it? It saved 5 skill points and the bonuses are good, you yourself used this in one of your pob for templar.
6.Grand spectrums - because i don't care about damage, I have FF with inevitable judgement and if I liked the build I would install this from another build.
7. Voidsphere and frostshield - I made a build based on your last pob where there is 600kk damage and instead of these skills there is raise spectre-culling-feeding, when I saw that this build costs 4 mirrors I started to assemble according to your other pob and apparently I needed to change a couple of stones, this is a good remark at least I will be able to put a Voidsphere but do you really need to press so many buttons to protect the T16 card?
8. Tempestshield had to be changed to clarity for mana regen otherwise it was not enough to press other skills, I tried to use recoup mana from dmg, but it wasn't enough.
9."no crit-immunities" - I don't understand what you're talking about and the some about

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Vjsman wrote:

Spoiler

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Chromino wrote:

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Vjsman wrote:

To be honest, I am very disappointed with what I managed to do, about 350+div were invested in the build, the equipment seems to be good but I can't close T16 without dying, I die constantly despite the fact that in the build I have to press a bunch of buttons. If the map has a mod to reduce auras = death, reduce block = death, no regen = death, if there is none of this, I still die often despite 85 resistances and 4k EC, as well as immunity to elemental states, immunity to bleeding and ignite. The only thing I couldn't find suitable armor for the 100% spell suppression and i took ghost dance, but I think this will not help in any way, I don't even know what to do next.
It's my pob https://pobb.in/AQXZDkv4QIEt (I don't know why it shows less ES, actually I have 4k)

In pob you probably missed to activate discipline to show reserved mana and es.

Like you write: you miss 5 important layers of defences of the build, you could obtain 300% more ehp with 300% more damage and and then you did not read the "checklist defences" for the tipps of rolling of mapmods futher?

I check your pob on desktop pc later, on first sight you miss:
You have no stacked poisonchances for HoA-virulences, no implicits on shield and boots and rings, low block, low spellsuppression, no crit-immunities etc.? No quartzflask with mageblood? Why wasting a slot for stormshroud? Why Unnatural instinct? Why do you are early going crits without much critting? Why 2 instead 3 grand spectrums? No autotriggered damage? No voidsphere, tempestshield? Why ghost dance on SoL instead magebane, divine shield, lethe shade, crit-immunities etc.? No withers? No frostshield?

1."You have no stacked poisonchances for HoA-virulences" - I have tattoos and the chance of poisoning is 80 or 85% or are you talking about something else?
2."no implicits" - Because there are no such rings on sale with arcane surge. Aurora 4-5% block spell damage? I can buy this, but what to do when the block does not work?
3. Spellsuppression - this is really missing I said it myself because there was no armor with a magebane and the right colors on sale, I think a quartz flask can fix this.
4.Stormshroud it gives me immunity to Elemental Aliments It was easier to do than to look for it in the equipment.
5.Unnatural instinct - Why didn't you like it? It saved 5 skill points and the bonuses are good, you yourself used this in one of your pob for templar.
6.Grand spectrums - because i don't care about damage, I have FF with inevitable judgement and if I liked the build I would install this from another build.
7. Voidsphere and frostshield - I made a build based on your last pob where there is 600kk damage and instead of these skills there is raise spectre-culling-feeding, when I saw that this build costs 4 mirrors I started to assemble according to your other pob and apparently I needed to change a couple of stones, this is a good remark at least I will be able to put a Voidsphere but do you really need to press so many buttons to protect the T16 card?
8. Tempestshield had to be changed to clarity for mana regen otherwise it was not enough to press other skills, I tried to use recoup mana from dmg, but it wasn't enough.
9."no crit-immunities" - I don't understand what you're talking about and the some about

1 - yes, sorry, pobb.in did not displayed the poison on hit tattoos, now on desktop-view in pob your 85% are great done.

2 - you scale into HoA-crits a bit too early, so you have less slots for mana-reg without abyss-jewels. You did not pathed mystic bulwark too. Visit in "checklists stats" the "manamaster": "11) mana-reg" for many optimizations and variations (like tattoos, abyss-jewels, etc.) or follow more close the build and the pob.

3 - with mageblood take simply a quartzflask like shown in the mageblood-pob. In the "gear": belt, and "flasks"-spoilers you will find also the "mageblood flask-setup"-spoilers (or get elegant form on a megalomaniac or small cluster).
Best is to visit in "checklists stats" the spoiler "100% spell suppression".

4 - with good rare boots for ailment-avoidances, extreme cheap this league, you can easy go without stormshroud like guided. Storm shroud is good as starter, but in lategame you waste one jewel-slot.
50-67% on boots, 20% in the shield-mastery, and the last 25% on a ring implicit or 20% with an "elegant form" and you are easy capped - without stormshroud, without flask-suffix.
Simply visit "ailments" in "checklists stats". Of course you can also cap 100% on abyss-jewels too.

5 - of course, but in your set-up there are many more valuable other jewels to use. Like megalomaniacs, abyss-jewels, elegant form on a small cluster, mana-reg, +2 cold resis-rare-jewel, the third grand spectrum, etc. In that one HoA-poison-guardian-pob there are more free useable jewel-slots, so the variation unnatural instinct is chosen, but only because all other important stats like HoA-poison, spell supression, spellblock are already 100% capped - and because I do not use unique medium megalomaniac-clusters or double-corruptions in my build-pob`s.

(This league were around 200-300 very good megalomaniacs for cheap 1-5 div and 150 very good circles of nostalgia for 20 chaos - 10 div in trade.)

Unnatural instinct is recommended only as guardian b.i.s. geared as long as you do not scale HoA-crits, not as necro missing basic defensive layers.

6 - overall like shown in the guide and pob I recommend to start HoA-crits-scaling only with a perfect mana-management, with 2-3 curses, with strong voices (or b.i.s. megalomaniacs) and when you reached above around 80-100M damage. Until that gearlevel simply HoA-poison-dot is better to scale with many more flexible slots for tankyness and qol. When you focus on tankyness better scale HoA-poison (dark seer sceptre, ghastly jewels etc.) instead HoA-crits.

7 - best is cws - frostshield or cws/cwdt - void sphere. Frostshield is imba in this build because it stacked already high overmaxed es-recovery.
The advantage of tempestshield or cwdt-voidsphere is that the HoA is autobombing, also offscreen and in the backside.
I dislike support-spectres/golems too and choose instead always more qol and tankyness.
In your set-up you miss much of the recommended mana-management on clusters (35% increased effects of clusters, mystic bulwark, a mana mastery, mana-reg on abyss-jewels, etc.), and many more optimizations and so in chainreaction you waste the skillsockets with enlighten, clarity etc.
The 600M-ultra-b.i.s.-pob is more optimized for ubers-speedfarming. In other poe-content that much damage is often useless.
When you want you get i.e. instead 400M-500M with double ehp for less than a quarter of the budget when you get 1-2 (not too rare in trade) good fitting megalomaniacs.
For the 600M-pob you would need better gear. Choose the 167M-pob or the 70M-HoA-poison-mageblood-pob.

8 - your low 17% spellblock is much too low. You have almost no es on block of aegis aurora. You miss 80% defences against spells in your set-up, without frostshield 90%. You miss main-components of crucial es-recovery.

Get tempestshield, or get more megalomaniacs with spellblocks. Many more variations are shown in "Checklist stats": "Spellblock". I recommend Tempestshield for the mix of qol and autotriggered damage, it`s much more fun and tankyness and damage-uptime.
You could also drive on the alternative roads with rainbow-strides or mistress of sacrifice or bone barrier or a large spellblock-cluster, but as necro high spellblock is much more easy to get as the ailment-avoidances and high es on rare boots.

The 60-140 mana-reg / sec, is guided in "checklist stats": "mana-reg".
With mageblood clarity is fine. Stack some more skill-efficiencies to use clarity.

9 - in your actual set-up you have zero crit-immunities. The allstars use 100% crit-immunities in the poison-mastery serpentine spellslinger after one hit. Crits are scaled up by monster-abilities, map-mods, altar-mods, atlas-mods, etc. to multiplied hundreds of percents more damage. Even when you do not often get critted through evasion, blockings, cyclone, movement, etc., in high density-maps, when you get hundred times fast hit in a damage-peak with more debuffing effects on you, crit-immunities are highly recommended.

To summarize:
Use a quartzflask, when needed also 1 passive 8% while phasing for 100% spell suppression.

Use the 70M with selected mageblood-tree and item-tab "mageblood" or the 167M-pob. Path across mystic bulwark, use the 12% manamastery.

Check the trade:

Unique Bis-Clusters with 2 b.i.s.-skills:
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/V3amXQPhp

Unique Bis-Clusters with 3 strong skills:
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/aD8JJ2kHe

Better rings:
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/wq48Yerfb

Better small clusters:
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Settlers/3ZXQv5Zc5

It`s going to the end of the league, two weeks ago there were 20 times more offers.

Then after you can use tempestshield, free up many skillsockets, many passives, and will have double or tripple ehp.

■ ■ ■ PoB's improved! ■ ■ ■

■ ■ ■ The default Necro-Poison-HoA-PoB increased with a rare helmet and some exchanged jewels and skills from 65M, 600k ehp, to now new 86M, 1.2M ehp.

Some additional jewel-suffixes became flexible available too. But a bit qol of the in high juiced content not optimal automation-trigger-gem was switched out (easy to switch back in again when prefered). ■ ■ ■

■ ■ ■ Further I added again a Full-Tank Edtion with 58 M ehp and 35M damage, enough for all content, which shows the alternative defensive optimizations with 1.8k es minion-leech, enduring composure for almost 100% uptime of endurance charges, 100% uptime of frost shield triggered in cast while channeling, etc... . ■ ■ ■

(35M damage are more than enough for all content, high juiced t-17 and almost all Ubers.

Only against U-Sirus and U-Maven I recommend a little bit more, around 40-45M damage.)

HoA-poison gear (86M damage, 1.2M ehp): https://pobb.in/3bdCXXcq

Full-Tank Edition (35M damage, 58M ehp, 35k max phys / 115 k max ele-hit taken): https://pobb.in/LzmeetH4