[3.26] CWDT Ward Loop Scion
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Sorry here's the latest POB too, thanks.
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" Hi. Ok so 2 things.
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1/ I am sorry, I missed something in my first analysis of your build : I didn't realize that you didn't pick Pathfinder Ascendancy for Scion (Flasks gain 3 charges every 3 seconds).
It is Mandatory. Without it, you would need something like 100% flasks charge gained and 110% flask effect duration. So, if you simply forgot to select it in Path of Building, do it. Otherwise, you NEED it(see my second point) Find someone to carry you through the labyrinth, DIY or replace your Forbidden Flame and Flesh with Pathfinder instead of Deadeye. 2/ In your lastest PoB, you selected "Careful Conservationist" Passive skill. This increase the effect of Olroth by 5%, meaning instead of having 85% less ward (1213), you have 89% less ward (892). Your skeletons deal you 840 damage. This is barely below what you can take. If you ever become Shocked, you walk on Shocked ground, you will increase the damage you take from all sources, including your own. Meaning with 892 Ward you are very likely going to die. I suggest you remove any mean of increasing flask effect : remove "Careful Conservationist", and if your Timeless jewel is different than the one in your PoB, make sure none of the Notable in radius you are using have "Alchemist Genius" added by the Timeless. Alternatively, you can replace Zealotry with Purity of Element in order to be shock immune. Ailment immunity is something that is generally achieved with 100% chance to avoid being shocked + stormshroud unique jewel. Abyss jewel can have up to 50% and a magical flask can have up to 55%(68 with increased effect) as a suffix. I understand that you likely chose "Careful Conservationist" because of the reduced flask charge used. Indeed, with it and your setting, Olroth should work even without Pathfinder ascendancy. But in my opinion, it's a temporary solution. First check is generally starting the loop in your HO and leave it running for a few minutes to se if you ward ever decrease or break and if your life ever tank. But in my opinion, you are likely dying because of source of increased damage taken. Shock is the most common but not the only one. Maps mods and Eldritch altars can also lower your ward if you pick wrong. ########### TLDR 0. Watch out for "Alchemist Genius". It's your enemy. 1. Get Pathfinder, then remove "Careful Conservationist" 2.a If Zealotry - Get an abyss eye with 38-50% chance to avoid being shocked and 2% increased cooldown recovery rate (if you are in standard I can give you one with 50%) - Replace Amethyst Flask(you don't need that much chaos resistance for your loop to work) with Bismuth flask and 50-55% chance to avoid being shocked suffix and increased effect (if you are in standard I can give you one) Bonus : Get Stormshroud instead of Watcher's Eye or Sublime Vision 2.b If no Zealotry - Get Purity of Element - Replace Sublime Vision and Watcher's Eye with rare Jewels with as much increased critical strike multiplier as you can get (Keeper link : https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Keepers/V5LBlvEwsp change weighted sum to the minimum you want) - Consider replacing Amethyst Flask with Bismuth / Quicksilver / Iron / Sulphur / Quartz / Unique flaks. Or just keep it, it's good enough. If you still have problem or I missed what's troubling you, don't hesitate to tell me. Our civilization rose so much through the mind that it sometimes becomes difficult to reincarnate our own bodies. And yet, when we surrender ourselves to one another, I see the wild beasts come back out. When so rarely we embrace, I can hear the breath of dawn. Last edited by Wonderglass#0198 on Nov 22, 2025, 5:32:18 AM
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Thank you very much again for all your help!
I made all the changes and my life still drops down to 200 after Olroth's end. I spent hours trying to follow the example build from the guide you posted for a tanky version and no luck. Change the forbidden jewels to pathfinder as there's no way I can make it through labs. I'm committing suicide in level 10 white maps with no mobs around randomly. I stopped taking any shrines or anything at all in hopes of just leveling but just die. I'm so determine to get this to work and did remove all the flask effect duration tattoos I had which was from the original YT video that I found this at. Still no luck. I'm just about out of currency after buying jewels from the tanky example build and having that not work. I don't have enough skill points to allocate everything from that build. https://pobb.in/AfB8fA5hImns This is my current build. I feel like I understand everything your saying and it makes sense, I'm just taking too much damage from my trigger but don't know how else to fix that? Thanks again! https://pobb.in/H_lMl4T2iujc |
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" Okay so : You got Pathfinder and removed Careful Conservationist. Good. You got the body armor flask mod. Good. But...why did you change everything else ? The clusters, the tattoos ? It can't work D: If you still had some issue the was no need to go scorched earth on your build^^" You had - 104% increased flask effect duration. Now 56% - 85% flask charge gained, now 119% If you check the https://cwdt.info/calculator you will see that (with pathfinder and armor mod) the first worked while the second, your current setup, just doesn't. And that fractured cluster must have cost you a few. I am also not sure why you bought a Progenesis Flask (I checked your char). But, I made two versions for your build. One with Progenesis and one without, based on you current build (https://pobb.in/H_lMl4T2iujc) The modifications in bold are common to the two versions - Version with progenesis (I am starting with this one because it requires a lot less change) HOWEVER, be aware that this version require Careful Conservationist and therefore has about 320 less ward https://pobb.in/K1osegusncMC
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- Removed two small notables from a Cluster top left of the tree (-8% flask charge gained, +2 skill points)
- Added Careful Conservationist (10% reduced charge used, -1 skill point) - Removed a useless lightning small notable from the large cluster top left (+1 skill point) - Invested a point in a notable +30 Dexterity. (+30 Dext, -1 skill point) - Used 7 Herbalist Tattoo, bringing up the total of converted Dext passive to 8. (-70 Dext, +28% flask duration) - Selected Life Flask and Flask Duration small notable (right of Druidic Rite) (+10% flask duration, -1 skill point) - Original version without Progenesis, which require a lot more change but leave you with 6 free skill points https://pobb.in/xFMLFyBm5Dul
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- Removed a Cluster top left of the tree. (-16% flask charge gained, +5 skill point)
- Unselected two flask charge gained small notable above the Traitor (-20% flask charge gained, +2 skill point) - Removed a useless lightning small notable from the large cluster top left (+1 skill point) - Invested a point in a notable +30 Dexterity. (+30 Dext, -1 skill point) - Used 7 Herbalist Tattoo, bringing up the total of converted Dext passive to 8. (-70 Dext, +28% flask duration) - Selected Life Flask and Flask Duration small notable (right of Druidic Rite) (+10% flask duration, -1 skill point) Our civilization rose so much through the mind that it sometimes becomes difficult to reincarnate our own bodies.
And yet, when we surrender ourselves to one another, I see the wild beasts come back out. When so rarely we embrace, I can hear the breath of dawn. |
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YOU ARE AMAZING!
Thank you so much for all you help and work you did to figure out everything I screwed up lol. Your " no need to go scorched earth on your build^^"" comment made me laugh so hard haha...I suck at this game but love it, I'm my own worse enemy lol. Here you are spelling everything out and I go an !$@4 everything up lol, I wasted so many divs. The loop is working, but the life drop is bad, all my deaths are from suicide. Do I need more life, ward on my gear or something else? If you can point me in the right direction I'll work on it, thanks again so much for helping dysfunctional me lol https://pobb.in/0_yR5rxRZmdN |
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" Honestly I am at a lost of what to tell you. Every time I give you a pob to copy, you give me back one that is different in ways that make me feel like you got rid of some of the items I was working on and had to do something else entirely. So this will be my last attempt at helping you. If it doesn't work, then I will have failed you in your hour of need and I genuinely hope this won't stop you from trying again because wardlooping is fun. But you are very close so Here it is : https://pobb.in/RFXK82F7g4KG What I did is - Fixed Summon skeleton to 11 - Fixed linked CWDT to 4 - Replaced the Pandemonium Hope Medium Cluster(which gave you flask charges gained) on the top left, with the fractured 35% Gale Essence Medium cluster you were using previously (if you haven't sold it off). I removed a small node from the Dusk Joy Medium Cluster next to it because I needed that point. If you do just that, your ward should stop breaking and reforming and it should become playable. And that's only if you're still using the same Olroth 29% quality displayed in the PoB. That's it. Now for optimization : - You have managed to get 100% chance to avoid being shocked between and abyss eye and the flask, which means you do not need Purity of Elements. Instead Stormshroud unique jewel. I put Stormshroud in place of the unnecessary abyss jewel(the one without 50% chance to avoid being shocked) on the cluster bottom right of the tree. - Since Purity of Elements isn't used, I put back Zealotry. Honestly, there are a lot of other stuff that can be changed. The fire and chaos resistances aren't ideal but if you still die from suicide then there is no point. Before jumping into a map to test your build, you should always start in your hideout and see if your life ever decrease and if your ward ever break. You won't die because it's difficult to commit suicide in HO (I don't remember how to do it) but you will have time to focus your attention on your life, flask and ward. Our civilization rose so much through the mind that it sometimes becomes difficult to reincarnate our own bodies.
And yet, when we surrender ourselves to one another, I see the wild beasts come back out. When so rarely we embrace, I can hear the breath of dawn. |
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First and foremost I'm deeply sorry for not following your directions, you have been way more patient and helpful with me than most people in getting this build to work.
I did not deviate from anything and followed your directions to the T and wardlooping is working amazingly! :) https://pobb.in/FBYM2Z4DeU96 Thank you so much, I'm so grateful for all your help! Wardlooping is so very fun and I'm having a blast and can't enough of it. Love the concept and look forward to playing it all the time! |
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