[3.22] SadPanda's Summon Crit Mage Skeletons Guide | All the Uber Uber content done/Deep delver

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Camaron wrote:

Hi,

I got a question, I got 2 necros 1 is skl mages and other is SRS

In PoB each skl mages do 90k dmg and SRS necro each srs does around 90k

Question is are they doin same dmg? or does pob calculate dmg differently?

I ask this cuz it feels my skel necro dfoes way better dmg on bosses than my SRS even tho i got 20 srs vs 10 skels

Because pob was never right about the minion dmg in the first place.
There are too many variables for skeleton mages for pob to calculate correctly.
These are:
are they on full life for renewal
Do they have es for fleshcrafter's resist ignore
Do you have vaal skeletons activated which adds extra skeletons but they don't have spell echo
Does your minion crit chance calculated correctly and if so do you have brittle added
Pob does not count 90% multiplier from our grand spectrum jewels into the minion's crit so it is always wrong there
Does it even count the shock from our skeletons which goes up 30% in uber bosses. that is 30% more dmg it is missing

Does it count kingmaker and other items on the ag?
For example, I have on my ag:
kingmaker - adds 50% crit multi - culling strike that's 10% more dmg
unnerve gloves
malediction helmet
etc.etc.

the list goes on and on.

I never trusted pob to calculate a character's dmg correctly let alone minion's and I never will. I can't even access the Pastebin links because it is banned here in my country so I will always keep this hatred in my heart warm and clear.

I don't like pob, I don't like that we have to use a subpar 3rd party program to calculate our damage and share builds with people. I would rather calculate stuff with my hand or simply optimize it on my head as I go along with the character. The game has many flaws but this might be my biggest pet peeve.

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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Camaron wrote:

Hi,

I got a question, I got 2 necros 1 is skl mages and other is SRS

In PoB each skl mages do 90k dmg and SRS necro each srs does around 90k

Question is are they doin same dmg? or does pob calculate dmg differently?

I ask this cuz it feels my skel necro dfoes way better dmg on bosses than my SRS even tho i got 20 srs vs 10 skels

Because pob was never right about the minion dmg in the first place.
There are too many variables for skeleton mages for pob to calculate correctly.
These are:
are they on full life for renewal
Do they have es for fleshcrafter's resist ignore
Do you have vaal skeletons activated which adds extra skeletons but they don't have spell echo
Does your minion crit chance calculated correctly and if so do you have brittle added
Pob does not count 90% multiplier from our grand spectrum jewels into the minion's crit so it is always wrong there
Does it even count the shock from our skeletons which goes up 30% in uber bosses. that is 30% more dmg it is missing

Does it count kingmaker and other items on the ag?
For example, I have on my ag:
kingmaker - adds 50% crit multi - culling strike that's 10% more dmg
unnerve gloves
malediction helmet
etc.etc.

the list goes on and on.

I never trusted pob to calculate a character's dmg correctly let alone minion's and I never will. I can't even access the Pastebin links because it is banned here in my country so I will always keep this hatred in my heart warm and clear.

I don't like pob, I don't like that we have to use a subpar 3rd party program to calculate our damage and share builds with people. I would rather calculate stuff with my hand or simply optimize it on my head as I go along with the character. The game has many flaws but this might be my biggest pet peeve.

tbh... everything you said can be added to a pob tree!
It may not be working by default uploading a char but it can be set up everything in pob with some effort.
IF you dont trust the calculation behind this... well this is another thing but i trust a community developed tool more than some hand written calculation

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Yuzlol wrote:

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MrsDeath_ wrote:

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Camaron wrote:

Hi,

I got a question, I got 2 necros 1 is skl mages and other is SRS

In PoB each skl mages do 90k dmg and SRS necro each srs does around 90k

Question is are they doin same dmg? or does pob calculate dmg differently?

I ask this cuz it feels my skel necro dfoes way better dmg on bosses than my SRS even tho i got 20 srs vs 10 skels

Because pob was never right about the minion dmg in the first place.
There are too many variables for skeleton mages for pob to calculate correctly.
These are:
are they on full life for renewal
Do they have es for fleshcrafter's resist ignore
Do you have vaal skeletons activated which adds extra skeletons but they don't have spell echo
Does your minion crit chance calculated correctly and if so do you have brittle added
Pob does not count 90% multiplier from our grand spectrum jewels into the minion's crit so it is always wrong there
Does it even count the shock from our skeletons which goes up 30% in uber bosses. that is 30% more dmg it is missing

Does it count kingmaker and other items on the ag?
For example, I have on my ag:
kingmaker - adds 50% crit multi - culling strike that's 10% more dmg
unnerve gloves
malediction helmet
etc.etc.

the list goes on and on.

I never trusted pob to calculate a character's dmg correctly let alone minion's and I never will. I can't even access the Pastebin links because it is banned here in my country so I will always keep this hatred in my heart warm and clear.

I don't like pob, I don't like that we have to use a subpar 3rd party program to calculate our damage and share builds with people. I would rather calculate stuff with my hand or simply optimize it on my head as I go along with the character. The game has many flaws but this might be my biggest pet peeve.

tbh... everything you said can be added to a pob tree!
It may not be working by default uploading a char but it can be set up everything in pob with some effort.
IF you dont trust the calculation behind this... well this is another thing but i trust a community developed tool more than some hand written calculation

I don't do any calculations ^^
I just go with my gut instinct and make a tree and mods that is the most optimal for the build's defenses and offenses.

The key to make a good build in poe, if it is not something cheaty like the jugg I am doing right now, you have to balance your dmg and defensive layers perfectly. This I believe that I achieved with my skeletons. I was able to delve 1.250 depth without any issues with the build and honestly, it could have gone deeper without any help.

No one needs a 3rd party tool to create a perfectly balanced character. All you have to do is simple knowledge of items and mods that are available for your character in the game. Or you could copy someone who made the perfect character and it is done. You don't have to be a creative person to make things work on a new build either. New builds are always a gamble and I hate to gamble with PoE when I have nothing but my time in my hands to gamble with.

Find something working for you and try to improve on it. That is how to achieve success in PoE.


You might disagree and dispute this part:
"you have to balance your dmg and defensive layers perfectly."
you could say: that's why pob exists, to balance your character without gambling with it.
And my answer to you is, pastebin is banned in my country, I can't receive or give out any links to any viable build in the game hence my hatred and animosity towards this sub-par 3rd party program. It is shiet and it will remain shiet to me for the rest of my poe playing days. I have only one use for it and that is to list my characters on the poe.ninja. It is a good way to show that I am efficient at what I am doing.

out of curiosity what country is POB banned in?

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

out of curiosity what country is POB banned in?

Turkey, it is pastebin that is banned. I can not explain the fury I held for these 3rd party programs and the grudge I hold for these tools that we rely on.

Would U think its kinda worth it to use a Abyssal Jewel with Blind or Hinder on Hit? I got that in my usual build aswell

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MasterK18 wrote:

Would U think its kinda worth it to use a Abyssal Jewel with Blind or Hinder on Hit? I got that in my usual build aswell

We don't use evasion so blind is useless, hinder is good with 30% reduced movement speed on spell hits which skeletons can apply to the enemies, that would slow them down.

Also what i thought about, is Empower not good for the Skeletons? Maybe for Hypothermia Single Target? Or is Hypothermia providing more Damage=?

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MasterK18 wrote:

Also what i thought about, is Empower not good for the Skeletons? Maybe for Hypothermia Single Target? Or is Hypothermia providing more Damage=?

Empower 5 would be good if you went with a +3 chest, +1 to all socketed gems and +2 to either duration or minion gems.

Amazing guide, i love you SadPanda <333
Very Nice DPS & Tanky

- I believe in witch necromancers supremancy