Looking for tanky spellcaster build for pvp

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lolozori wrote:

Castablanca had a good brand build

seeker rune nerf, and it never had a chance against tanks :(

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it never had a chance against tanks

40 mln per brand (for example, https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/jemjeme/JJEMDOL?i=0&search=skill%3DStorm-Brand%26sort%3Ddps), have no chance agains tanks?

If speak only about mechaniks - brands, bane and tornado shot builds must be strongest in pvp.

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Obl1terator wrote:

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it never had a chance against tanks

40 mln per brand (for example, https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/jemjeme/JJEMDOL?i=0&search=skill%3DStorm-Brand%26sort%3Ddps), have no chance agains tanks?

If speak only about mechaniks - brands, bane and tornado shot builds must be strongest in pvp.

there is interesting discussion about brand on tft pvp discord. It is related to penance brand but can apply to brand in general.

To sums it up, 3.12.4 Swiftbrand Support now causes supported skills to deal 45% less damage to players. so if using this support you get half less damage.

Brands also have pvp penalty.

- Penance Brand 70% less damage vs player


- Wintertide Brand 0.2 seconds T override

I was sure I read somewhere that stormbrand also had a penalty but cannot confirm the wiki is not being updated very well


Someone calculated that a 100 Millions penance with swift support build deal like 1k pvp damage if other player got crit immunity.

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Bane is chaos and CI exist.


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tornado shot got 30% less damage against player not counting LMP-GMP pvp penalty.

Thanks @lolozori.
As lolozori eloquently explained, pve meta rarely transfers to pvp smoothly.
Another example is crit/crit multi. Due to the pantheon crit immunity, the only crit builds that I’ve personally seen work well in pvp are limited to @overlord’s ice spear miner, and dischargers.

I had an archmage storm brander pre-nerf, that had impressive tooltips, but could not kill tanks.
Tooltips don’t mean much in pvp.

A crit based gc miner could delete bosses in pve faster than my ele overload gc miner.
But, that same crit based pve version would not be able to even kill the pvp tank.