(3.16) NERFED DO NOT PLAY THIS Raider Archmage BF/BB [CHEAP, Tanky, HCSSF viable, (100m+ dps)

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Cyan101 wrote:
Which endgame build is best for SSF? Should I aim for following the wrath or the clarity setup? (No HC and assuming I have no cluster setups/specific gear for either yet)
The differences between them are minimal. Go with whatever tree you get a watcher's eye for first.

Wrath:
- Wrath watcher's eye
- Essense worm with wrath socketed
- Supreme ego on the tree
- Clear mind jewel

Clarity:
- Clarity watcher's eye
- 2 rare rings
- No Supreme ego
- Replace Clear mind with rare jewel

That's literally all there is. One point on the tree, two jewel differences, and one ring.
Current league IGN: Teldra_Anc_LAD
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grimjack68 wrote:
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Cyan101 wrote:
Which endgame build is best for SSF? Should I aim for following the wrath or the clarity setup? (No HC and assuming I have no cluster setups/specific gear for either yet)
The differences between them are minimal. Go with whatever tree you get a watcher's eye for first.

Wrath:
- Wrath watcher's eye
- Essense worm with wrath socketed
- Supreme ego on the tree
- Clear mind jewel

Clarity:
- Clarity watcher's eye
- 2 rare rings
- No Supreme ego
- Replace Clear mind with rare jewel

That's literally all there is. One point on the tree, two jewel differences, and one ring.


ah ok, is it alright to stick with clarity on my way to watchers eye? also any tips on levelling with this. I've avoided the no ES thing to avoid massive mana drain for now since my mana regen is garbage. But my damage and survivability seems a bit low, however am a bit tired/behind so thats not too surprising
Australian Summoner-Main
Which pantheons do u recommend?
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Cyan101 wrote:


ah ok, is it alright to stick with clarity on my way to watchers eye? also any tips on levelling with this. I've avoided the no ES thing to avoid massive mana drain for now since my mana regen is garbage. But my damage and survivability seems a bit low, however am a bit tired/behind so thats not too surprising


You don't really need clarity before the watchers eye- when you have it you properly run it on lvl 1 anyway to reserve as little as possible. At that stage at least for me it was more a case of if I could run essense worm- with the gear I had.

It's SSF but I am assuming you have most of the unique pieces already. They are important for reaching the treshold of being able to run agnostic.

But I would try to solve some of the mana issues for a while with essence of misery crafting (mana regen), properly on fractured items (properly from heist) looking for + mana on the craft. That's how I was able to make the shift. I think it began working around 7500 mana or there about. (playing a that stage as a semi-self-found, trying to do crafting myself but happily trading for uniques)

Atm I play around with 44% recoup mana (20% from an clarity watchers eye) for the fun of it. Theoretically I then recoup all the MoM mana lost from hits, . It's fun when it works , I even play with a life flask to protect the mana regen, so spamming a few more combos when hit is an option.
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Jintonic1234 wrote:
Which pantheons do u recommend?
Lunaris or Brine king for major, Grukthul or Ralakesh for minor
Current league IGN: Teldra_Anc_LAD
Feel free to message me in game if I'm on.
Can you remove "CHEAP" from the title ? thanks.
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AmirBan wrote:
Can you remove "CHEAP" from the title ? thanks.


It is cheap for ssf, Doing this in Gauntlet, end game is spendy but lots of dmg with minimal investment early maps. I found a reflect mod hidden in a map so I am starting again. Stop trying to be edgy.
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PailaiKRB wrote:
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AmirBan wrote:
Can you remove "CHEAP" from the title ? thanks.


It is cheap for ssf, Doing this in Gauntlet, end game is spendy but lots of dmg with minimal investment early maps. I found a reflect mod hidden in a map so I am starting again. Stop trying to be edgy.


I mean there's a lot of false advertising in the OP.

1. 100M+ DPS is a gross exaggeration. You can't use the raw POB number because of cast time. Realistically the build is like 4-8 million burst damage. It has a downtime though which can make a 4 million damage build with sustained damage much better.

2. SSF is not viable unless you have Cloak of Defiance and Essence Worm. Can you make it work? Sure but it is gonna be rough. I have a level 96 version and I have yet this league to find a cloak of defiance. I ended up crafting a GG body armour that is comparable.

3. Maven is really tough without proper mana management. You will not just run in there and do the fight like the Detonate Dead builds could last league. (And they can this league but their damage is a bit lower.)

4. Depending on someone getting a Clarity Watcher's eye for doing bossing is bad manners. SSF is really tough.

Most people aren't God Gamers.

Is the build good though?

Ya its a great build. Really fun. Although clunky.
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Tesrali wrote:
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PailaiKRB wrote:
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AmirBan wrote:
Can you remove "CHEAP" from the title ? thanks.


It is cheap for ssf, Doing this in Gauntlet, end game is spendy but lots of dmg with minimal investment early maps. I found a reflect mod hidden in a map so I am starting again. Stop trying to be edgy.


I mean there's a lot of false advertising in the OP.

1. 100M+ DPS is a gross exaggeration. You can't use the raw POB number because of cast time. Realistically the build is like 4-8 million burst damage. It has a downtime though which can make a 4 million damage build with sustained damage much better.

2. SSF is not viable unless you have Cloak of Defiance and Essence Worm. Can you make it work? Sure but it is gonna be rough. I have a level 96 version and I have yet this league to find a cloak of defiance. I ended up crafting a GG body armour that is comparable.

3. Maven is really tough without proper mana management. You will not just run in there and do the fight like the Detonate Dead builds could last league. (And they can this league but their damage is a bit lower.)

4. Depending on someone getting a Clarity Watcher's eye for doing bossing is bad manners. SSF is really tough.

Most people aren't God Gamers.

Is the build good though?

Ya its a great build. Really fun. Although clunky.

I'd disagree with *false*. Folks on these forums prefer raw DPS numbers over complex calculations. If you join the discord, you'll notice the conversations there are all based on damage per hit, which is a far superior indicator of how well you're scaling damage.

4-8 million if you're playing SSF, maybe. If you're in trade league and have access to watcher's eyes, awakened gems, and good weapons, it's entirely possible to get more than enough damage to one shot single phase bosses. I'm not running particularly good gear, and I'm pushing 400k / hit. On large model bosses it's trivial to max out the 50 blades limit on blade blast, which puts me at 20 million per cast. I have enough mana and mana regen to support spamming it 3 times at need.

As for SSF viability, poe.ninja shows this as the #2 build on HCSSF, behind the Gladiator / Scion Exsanguinate setups, which might be technically 2 different builds, I haven't looked in the Gladiator variant. The Scion is great fun, and even better at Ultimatums than this, but doesn't have the raw DPS output this does for tough bosses. Or maybe I just didn't push it to a high enough level, or invest enough into the gear! ;)

Hilariously, I've dropped 3 cloaks this league, and zero essence worms. Good thing I play trade league. :D

The Maven fight is plain weird. In my experience, she's highly variable - some fights have been super easy, some were impossible. There's a learning curve as well, to say the least. Especially with builds like this that have a lot of ground level Fx that obscure the memory game indicators.

I'm not sure why you need a clarity watcher's eye for bossing. I do fine with my Wrath one. I'm not even convinced we need one - removing mine is a 7.5% drop in DPS, which doesn't seem game breaking.

I league started with this build, and I've used it to fund an exsanguinate build and an arc totem build. Both of those were fun for a few days, but I'm back to playing this and headed for level 100. I haven't decided if I want to grind out the full 40 challenges this league, but I might.
Current league IGN: Teldra_Anc_LAD
Feel free to message me in game if I'm on.
Last edited by grimjack68 on Jun 17, 2021, 1:56:58 PM
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PailaiKRB wrote:
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AmirBan wrote:
Can you remove "CHEAP" from the title ? thanks.


It is cheap for ssf, Doing this in Gauntlet, end game is spendy but lots of dmg with minimal investment early maps. I found a reflect mod hidden in a map so I am starting again. Stop trying to be edgy.


No it's not, the clarity Watcher's Eye alone is 195 Exalted Orbs. without the end-game version which will cost you 100s more ex this build can not do much. calling it "CHEAP" is dishonest and is a lie. Stop acting like you are in a beehive and have to attack every signle word you don't like.

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Last edited by Lisa_GGG on Jun 17, 2021, 2:43:33 PM

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