[3.21] Cold Conversion Summoner | Build guides for all budgets | (Ghazzy Zoomancer)

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Yashal wrote:

Hey Dead,

With the Manifests can we expect any updates for the next league?

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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Yashal wrote:

Hey Dead,

With the Manifests can we expect any updates for the next league?

Unfortunately I didn't play LoK enough to update it. Just finished the Atlas basically do not sure how I would've played the endgame.

I'm currently leaguestart testing an early game superbudget Occultist.

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monik390 wrote:

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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Yashal wrote:

Hey Dead,

With the Manifests can we expect any updates for the next league?

Unfortunately I didn't play LoK enough to update it. Just finished the Atlas basically do not sure how I would've played the endgame.

I'm currently leaguestart testing an early game superbudget Occultist.

It's just funny, how similar our experience in 3.19 was. I didn't finish my lightning AW guardian at all, didn't even bother with AG and spectres.

Pushed it to t16 with tabula being most expensive item, w/o clusters, and shield/rings found by myself, later got a weapon that was a lot more expensive than it should be (f*ck streamers played poison AW necros), and moved to a Grimros KB/CF glad.

Later just made low-budget occultist that was very similar to grimros build, just slower, but with way better single target, and now it's my go-to league start mapper lmao.

Well, herald of agony is still a minion, so i'm still on this boat xD

Edit: Actually wanted to say that occultist summoner gonna be good as starter.

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Zegai wrote:

So I've been looking at combining a few things to play cold conversion (played phys last league) as I enjoy cold damage more conceptually. I will say, though, that losing the glove slot hurts a lot as gear's been getting more power shifted to it.

A few things/ideas:

Kingmaker seems unrealistic, but Dying Breath may be a good low budget alternative for an AG with 18% inc curse effect. Two+ curses, namely EW + Frostbite seem fairly strong together, getting up to -100% cold resist with some curse effect. This enables using Eye of Malice again on the AG (plus Legacy of Fury for an extra 10-15% -res). Boots/Gloves could be a basic Gravebind+explody chest or something for survival.

On the actual player side, I've been considering elementalist for shaper of winter+shaper of storms (or mastermind of discord) and the self-reviving golems. Shaper of Winter is a consistent 40% chill with some ailment effect (which also improves Brittle), which can be combined with bonechill for 40% extra damage taken. Shaper of Storms is up to 50% damage taken as a shock, but might be less damage than mastermind.
Basically there's some potential here to get mobs' cold resist down to -200% and add a lot of % cold damage taken.
It'd also be nice to be able to use a mark in addition to the two resist curses but it will be hard to fit an extra additional curse.

A few issues.. defense is one. I tried looking into spell suppression but it requires a lot of investment and gets very hard to balance. Aegis and ES/CI seems like the best approach, but it'll definitely be a very expensive option. Maybe going more defensive with bastion of elements is another option. The 40% chill should help as it's fairly strong.

The other issue is keeping the AG & specters alive, might need some defensive clusters. I'm thinking of starting phys and potentially switching once I've got some gear - Phys is much easier to get acceptable damage for :(

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Deadandlivin wrote:

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Zegai wrote:

So I've been looking at combining a few things to play cold conversion (played phys last league) as I enjoy cold damage more conceptually. I will say, though, that losing the glove slot hurts a lot as gear's been getting more power shifted to it.

A few things/ideas:

Kingmaker seems unrealistic, but Dying Breath may be a good low budget alternative for an AG with 18% inc curse effect. Two+ curses, namely EW + Frostbite seem fairly strong together, getting up to -100% cold resist with some curse effect. This enables using Eye of Malice again on the AG (plus Legacy of Fury for an extra 10-15% -res). Boots/Gloves could be a basic Gravebind+explody chest or something for survival.

On the actual player side, I've been considering elementalist for shaper of winter+shaper of storms (or mastermind of discord) and the self-reviving golems. Shaper of Winter is a consistent 40% chill with some ailment effect (which also improves Brittle), which can be combined with bonechill for 40% extra damage taken. Shaper of Storms is up to 50% damage taken as a shock, but might be less damage than mastermind.
Basically there's some potential here to get mobs' cold resist down to -200% and add a lot of % cold damage taken.
It'd also be nice to be able to use a mark in addition to the two resist curses but it will be hard to fit an extra additional curse.

A few issues.. defense is one. I tried looking into spell suppression but it requires a lot of investment and gets very hard to balance. Aegis and ES/CI seems like the best approach, but it'll definitely be a very expensive option. Maybe going more defensive with bastion of elements is another option. The 40% chill should help as it's fairly strong.

The other issue is keeping the AG & specters alive, might need some defensive clusters. I'm thinking of starting phys and potentially switching once I've got some gear - Phys is much easier to get acceptable damage for :(

Yeah, having the glove slot taken by a unique that literally does nothing else is pretty rough. Hurts especially since hitting resistance and dexterity benchmarks become very hard if. Makes it almost mandatory to run a Mageblood with resist flasks to minxmax at higher levels. But the gloves are pretty much required as it's the only way to scale cold dmg unless you run cold dmg spectres.

During league start though, you can run Sidheraths Breath. It's actually very strong early game. Even clears T16 maps with pretty high dps. As soon as I find a chaos orb during league start I'll buy this unique. Pretty much makes your minions oneshot everything the first 5 acts alone due to how much flat cold dmg it gives.

Eye of Malice does indeed seem very strong again which could be something to test out in PoB. Currently, I think my budget AG is gonna run Sentari's Answer and the new Ylfebann's Treachery. FOr weapon he'll either use a Sign of the Sin Eater or a Culling 1-hand.

Rather than running Shper of Winter and Storms it's just better to run Skitterbots linked to Bonechill imo. The problem with the Shaper nodes is that you have to inflict the Ailments yourself and their damage won't be enough to give of a strong shock or chill. Your minimum chill will be 15% though, so Bonechill if you linked a Wintertide Brand or something like that would give 15% increased damage. But since you're not scaling any dmg on your own chills, the chills will be very weak since the strength of Ailments are based on how much damage you do relative to the targets HP. Mastermind of Discord is for sure the optimal option for Elementalists.

I especially liked running Mastermind of Discord + Elemental Equilibrium for a -50% cold res Exposure in 3.16.

Not sure what I'll be doing defensively this league. I'm most likely gonna run Occultist as league start to try it out. I'm looking to run Enfeeble as an Aura and The Frontline for Max Res + Phys dmg mitigation while scaling duration like I've done for some time now. I won't have mana to run Determination though but I think I'm gonna try a completely new approach now.
Instead, I'm think I'm gonna test running a +2 corrupted Lightning Coil chest for 50% phys dmg conversion. Taste of Hate + Dawnbreaker would give 85% phys dmg conversion which would solve all physical damage mitigation.

There's several things you can do though. Full block with Aegis is always a very solid option.