So about the Arakaali's Fang spiders

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Aodui wrote:

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relithh wrote:

i mostly deal with them at melee

By that you mean Blast Rain right? which is easy to swap to for a bow build you have three six links, and it is useful for other stuff than just countering spider builds.

You can use it against most things really, the overlapping damage is OP and cuts through most defenses.

Ranged bow attacks have been the most versatile play style since launch and they have always been provided a way to counter absolutely everything effortlessly (see Explosive Arrow / Lightning Arrow / Frost Wall / Blink Arrow / Blast Rain / Toxic Arrow - there has yet to be a bow builds cannot top the PVP ladder era)

To counter spiders you have to flee them before they get onto you, and keep fleeing them, as they will take you down if they reach you, nearly effortlessly, and with a burst because their attack will come simultaneously now that they do not have to jockey for position.

I want to see all of these work well enough that people play them:

Ranged Attacks (bow)
Ranged Attacks (wand and shield)
Self-Casters
Melee
Traps & Mines Proper (the active skill gem is tagged trap or mine)
Traps & Mines (using the trap or mine support) to a lesser extent
Some kind of summoner that does not just run around the arena avoiding players while having their immortal sonic speed spiders lay waste to everyone who doesn't see them coming, even if some play styles allow you to easily counter them if you start on the defensive and blanket yourself in a flee spam cloud while simultaneously doing damage or off screening them, which you can switch between easily because you have three six links

PoE 2.0 will actually improve this for other builds by giving them tons of six links, I get that bow builds are fine against spiders, but bow builds are fine against all builds ever in the history of Path of Exile.

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relithh wrote:

i am just trying to offer help.

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EspadaDelPanico wrote:

I think you can counter Arakaali's builds with the new broken

( this ring will offscreen you in 1vs1 if you are not full block )

you can use any skill+mines like

or discharge with that ring

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lolozori wrote:

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EspadaDelPanico wrote:

I think you can counter Arakaali's builds with the new broken

( this ring will offscreen you in 1vs1 if you are not full block )

you can use any skill+mines like

or discharge with that ring

The only way I can see this off-screening players is if used with Cast on crit and a ranged skill but in that case (use of ranged skill) anything already off-screen a spider build.

Some spider builds have very high MS tho so this ring is not like an hard counter.

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MullaXul wrote:

Do you guys ever just sit back and ask yourselves....."Why is everything ranged, why is everything aoe, why is everything cheesy as fuck auto targeting and catering to cripples/failed abortions/people that require a fork lift to move from room to room." Just like Delve, when you think you've hit the bottom PvP just keeps going down deeper in the shitter.

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Castablanca wrote:

Johnson’s latest tank.... completely facetanks my mines. And i have pretty good gear :)
Kills me at melee range with ease ^^

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Firebrand76 wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

Do you guys ever just sit back and ask yourselves....."Why is everything ranged, why is everything aoe, why is everything cheesy as fuck auto targeting and catering to cripples/failed abortions/people that require a fork lift to move from room to room." Just like Delve, when you think you've hit the bottom PvP just keeps going down deeper in the shitter.

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Castablanca wrote:

Johnson’s latest tank.... completely facetanks my mines. And i have pretty good gear :)
Kills me at melee range with ease ^^

It's decided. Melee is OP. Sounds like a nerf is in order.