[3.20] Ice Dancing Queen - Icestorm/Cyclone/CI - Viable For Everything

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Kelvynn wrote:
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archwerewolf wrote:
hm failed quotes...

1) why GGG whyyy you removed +1 curse from aw hex....
so no 3rd, -enfeeble )
2)forgot to remove after testing, wave better for debuffing ton's of mobs in simulacrum for example

PWoC is better for everything. It's a direct upgrade over Frost Bomb.

No Enfeeble? On top of already dropping shock and ignite immunity? I guess you are just not feeling it because your gear is so OP that you can facetank anything. If your budget had any limits, this would be very much unplayable. I suspect you still die once in a while in hard maps because of it.


well not really) it's all dying faster than me xD and i just reroll maps with vuln or reflect.others mods not matter

well yea i can drop profane bloom for stun immune + f&s + enfeeble + megalo with overlord and gona be immortal...but without funs of booms!

well in conclusion still playable, pref witch cause of freeze immune +no regen + bit more dmg + freeze every 4 second's also fun (if only really interrupt cast's etc, bosses just continue it's cast after unfreeze)
Last edited by archwerewolf#0781 on Aug 14, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
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Cjin wrote:
20%+19% more from lvl20 AS

Those are 2 separate multiplicative mods.

1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44 = 44% MORE damage from AS 20/20. 45% from 21/20.
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Kelvynn wrote:

Those are 2 separate multiplicative mods.

1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44 = 44% MORE damage from AS 20/20. 45% from 21/20.


I know. Doesn't change anything. Numbers are what PoB shows with and without gems.

Option 1. AS in staff. 20% more buff and 20% more to supported skills. 44% more damage. Well, PoB shows 45% more. whatever.

Option 2. ACP in staff AND lvl4 AS somewhere else. With my gear that is 36.8% more damage from ACP (with my gear) and 12% more buff from AS. total 53.5% more damage.

PoB even shows me 200k with ACP vs 189k with AS in staff.

So unless PoB somehow misscalculates cold penetration, ACP+AS somewhere else is higher damage than AS in staff. With my gear at least.

What comes to extra socket, Im already too lazy to start rampage, it dosent really matter most of the time and having 3rd button to press.. That's 50% MORE buttons to press!
Last edited by Cjin#1011 on Aug 14, 2021, 12:24:42 PM
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Cjin wrote:
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Kelvynn wrote:

Those are 2 separate multiplicative mods.

1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44 = 44% MORE damage from AS 20/20. 45% from 21/20.


I know. Doesn't change anything. Numbers are what PoB shows with and without gems.

Option 1. AS in staff. 20% more buff and 20% more to supported skills. 44% more damage. Well, PoB shows 45% more. whatever.

Option 2. ACP in staff AND lvl4 AS somewhere else. With my gear that is 36.8% more damage from ACP (with my gear) and 12% more buff from AS. total 53.5% more damage.

PoB even shows me 200k with ACP vs 189k with AS in staff.

So unless PoB somehow misscalculates cold penetration, ACP+AS somewhere else is higher damage than AS in staff. With my gear at least.

What comes to extra socket, Im already too lazy to start rampage, it dosent really matter most of the time and having 3rd button to press.. That's 50% MORE buttons to press!

Interesting. I guess that really depends on your particular tree. For me it's the reverse.

BTW, you can save 1 skill point by replacing 2 ES nodes near Arcane Will with 1 Int node.
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Kelvynn wrote:

Interesting. I guess that really depends on your particular tree. For me it's the reverse.

BTW, you can save 1 skill point by replacing 2 ES nodes near Arcane Will with 1 Int node.


Im looking at your character on PoB and it shows me that to you too ACP would be higher damage. If you can get the dex needed for it. I think when looking how much they give, you are forgetting to put low level AS to vortex to get the 12% more damage from there.

Idea was that this tree makes path to split personalities little bit longer. But I think arcane focus or +15int is better with shorter tree
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Cjin wrote:
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Kelvynn wrote:

Interesting. I guess that really depends on your particular tree. For me it's the reverse.

BTW, you can save 1 skill point by replacing 2 ES nodes near Arcane Will with 1 Int node.


Im looking at your character on PoB and it shows me that to you too ACP would be higher damage. If you can get the dex needed for it. I think when looking how much they give, you are forgetting to put low level AS to vortex to get the 12% more damage from there.

Idea was that this tree makes path to split personalities little bit longer. But I think arcane focus or +15int is better with shorter tree

Don't forget to disable Arcane Surge in both staves, otherwise PoB still thinks that my boss Icestorm is supported by the mapping staff's AS.

With the max level ACP (which would require me to upgrade to get more Dex somewhere) my avg hit vs Sirus goes from 196k to 200k, or 2% more. For 1 socket. Right now I could do that because I don't have Enlighten lv 4 yet. But in the final build I would have to sacrifice Frost Shield for 2% damage (probably less because I'd still have to get 25 Dex somewhere). Nah, not worth it.
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Kelvynn wrote:

Don't forget to disable Arcane Surge in both staves, otherwise PoB still thinks that my boss Icestorm is supported by the mapping staff's AS.

With the max level ACP (which would require me to upgrade to get more Dex somewhere) my avg hit vs Sirus goes from 196k to 200k, or 2% more. For 1 socket. Right now I could do that because I don't have Enlighten lv 4 yet. But in the final build I would have to sacrifice Frost Shield for 2% damage (probably less because I'd still have to get 25 Dex somewhere). Nah, not worth it.


I think at this point it starts to be matter of 1% dmg vs 1% ES vs QoL. And with having so high damage and ES already, QoL is best option.

Also one of the reasons for having one staff is that I got Blast-Freeze in one of the Megalomaniacs.
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za6i9ka wrote:
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langtoyeshe wrote:
I have 2.2k int atm, need an advice.


Imo, 1st thing you should do ....


I was about to give up because I was dying too often. GGG, made this league much more difficult, especially for inexperienced players. And yet 2 leagues ago I played with this character. Of course, the most expensive things are admirable, but I admire the most when players can put their knowledge into practice and use cheap things to increase the character's abilities.
Hello,

I need some tips, if you have some free time to help.

I have some issues with my gear actually and I can't find what I did wrong with my gear/skills tree.

My ES drop very quickly sometimes (from 100% to 0%) in t15-t16 with 7k ES and Drox a4 oneshot me in yellow t16 during his last phase with no difficult mod (not his big fist).

My DPS seems very low too but I guess it's because my gems aren't 20/20% yet but I'm working on it.

Any idea about how to improve my gear ASAP would be awesome !

My planned next upgrades are :
> Upgrade gems to 20/20%
> Use an hunter orb on my helmet for %Int
Is it right ?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Last edited by Swickz#0858 on Aug 15, 2021, 10:25:27 PM
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Swickz wrote:
Hello,

I need some tips, if you have some free time to help.

I have some issues with my gear actually and I can't find what I did wrong with my gear/skills tree.

My ES drop very quickly sometimes (from 100% to 0%) in t15-t16 with 7k ES and Drox a4 oneshot me in yellow t16 during his last phase with no difficult mod (not his big fist).

My DPS seems very low too but I guess it's because my gems aren't 20/20% yet but I'm working on it.

Any idea about how to improve my gear ASAP would be awesome !

My planned next upgrades are :
> Upgrade gems to 20/20%
> Use an hunter orb on my helmet for %Int
Is it right ?

Thanks in advance for your help.


1. Try to find a 500+ ES chest and get that last of Hillock's Veil to get 6% attrs. Also, craft +ES on your ring.

2. Get a +ES on hit Watcher's Eye. You'll feel noticeably tankier.

3. You need to ensure your icestorms are hitting mobs, otherwise you're not getting any ES leech. Drox has immune phases (if I am not mixing up conquerers), so you need to leech off the adds.

4. Get a 15% belt and then quality it to 18%.

Be careful -- the hunter orb only works 100% of the time on ilvl 75-79 helms. I can't tell if yours is, but at that ES, I suspect it isn't. Also, you need to ensure you have no open prefixes before you slam the orb.

Hope that helps a bit. First thing I'd do is work on your chest.

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