{3.10} Speaker for the Dead | The Mass Minion Summoner | League Starter, Leveling Guide 💀

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redmalloc wrote:
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IFollowYou wrote:
After experimenting with the lightning conversion build for a little bit, I have to say that it's insanely strong and has the potential to be one of the highest dps minion builds this patch.


That is really interesting and I might give that a try. First, why KB? Second, why Aggressive Bastion?


Holy bastion requires an "attack" to proc which KB is but spells like frost nova are not. By having cold & fire damage on a jewel, I can proc EE off of KB. It also splashes and fires fast, which makes cursing enemies feel smooth.

Aggressive bastion was supposed to be the cheapest defensive anointment I could find. I did not want to shell out 1 ex on a golden oil (which pretty much everything good requires). Ideally, I'd go with one of the 10% max life nodes. However, I forgot that I no longer "kill" things now I got rid of the poison setup so it's a now a fairly useless announcement.

Had a blast this league. TY for introducing me thus to summoning.
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Hercanic wrote:
@ NeoLearner & flyingcorpse:
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NeoLearner wrote:
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flyingcorpse wrote:
I finally dropped my unending hunger jewel, its added to socket under witch start, but really i cant see any improvement.. cant see any additional buff either?

Any ideas what can be wrong?

I have been considering this as well. One thought I had was if Phantasms (or zombies) are killing everything they would not stack a lot. And I have the impression Phantasms projectiles are quicker?

You might want to give a try to remove phantasms and do a blight to see if you can see them stack. I'll anyway not be investing another ex to get a new one. I already splurged on Grip of the council because I did not want to wait any longer :)

Spectres do not have to get the kill. However, they must be NEAR any kills, like ~40-60 units, to absorb the souls.


I end each day by reading up on your latest post and every day I learned something new. Amazing. Thank You.
Last edited by IchiMorghulis on Sep 12, 2019, 2:15:40 PM
If you don't take necromantic aegis, how does victarios charity work for your minions?
Hey, nice build. I was lucky enough to get a tabula early on. What spectre would you personally recommend? I am using flame sentrinals...like every league when I play summoner. What is your choice right now?
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FunkyMacri wrote:
If you don't take necromantic aegis, how does victarios charity work for your minions?


If you don't take it then it activates for your minions when YOU hit or YOU kill. Poison, chaos, degen all trigger for you as a kill even if you didn't make the kill. With cyclone and a channeled skill linked you can dish out the charges pretty fast.

With Aegis it triggers for your minions everytime THEY Hit or THEY make a kill. Since minions kill everything FAST this is obviously the fastest way to generate charges. the downside is you lose the stats on the shield and have to take a ton of nodes that are useless to use to get there.

Last edited by ElectroHarmonix on Sep 12, 2019, 3:04:00 PM
At first, thanks for this really awesome Guide! It´s a bit spread out, but at least one of the most informative! :)

Secondly a small question:

What are your thougts of 4 white socketed Triad Grip over Grip of the Council?
Do we still need "Add chaos damage to spell" on jewel ?
Thx for all
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Jacob1618 wrote:
Do we still need "Add chaos damage to spell" on jewel ?
Thx for all


If you're using the 3.8 version (without Herald of Agony), no.
@ IFollowYou:
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IFollowYou wrote:
After experimenting with the lightning conversion build for a little bit, I have to say that it's insanely strong and has the potential to be one of the highest dps minion builds this patch.
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redmalloc wrote:
That is really interesting and I might give that a try. First, why KB? Second, why Aggressive Bastion?
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IFollowYou wrote:
Holy bastion requires an "attack" to proc which KB is but spells like frost nova are not. By having cold & fire damage on a jewel, I can proc EE off of KB. It also splashes and fires fast, which makes cursing enemies feel smooth.

Aggressive bastion was supposed to be the cheapest defensive anointment I could find. I did not want to shell out 1 ex on a golden oil (which pretty much everything good requires). Ideally, I'd go with one of the 10% max life nodes. However, I forgot that I no longer "kill" things now I got rid of the poison setup so it's a now a fairly useless announcement.
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By having cold & fire damage on a jewel, I can proc EE off of KB.

You don't need both. In your example, use Fire OR Cold, just one. Using both in the same hit simply gives monsters resistance to both, no benefit to you.




@ IchiMorghulis:
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flyingcorpse wrote:
I finally dropped my unending hunger jewel, its added to socket under witch start, but really i cant see any improvement.. cant see any additional buff either?

Any ideas what can be wrong?
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NeoLearner wrote:
I have been considering this as well. One thought I had was if Phantasms (or zombies) are killing everything they would not stack a lot. And I have the impression Phantasms projectiles are quicker?

You might want to give a try to remove phantasms and do a blight to see if you can see them stack. I'll anyway not be investing another ex to get a new one. I already splurged on Grip of the council because I did not want to wait any longer :)
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Hercanic wrote:
Spectres do not have to get the kill. However, they must be NEAR any kills, like ~40-60 units, to absorb the souls.
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IchiMorghulis wrote:
I end each day by reading up on your latest post and every day I learned something new. Amazing. Thank You.
To be more specific:

"Raised Spectres have a 50% chance to gain Soul Eater for 30 seconds on Kill"

At least 1 kill = Soul Eater buff. Once the Spectre has the Soul Eater buff, it no longer matters whether they score any more kills. Soul Eater is already working for the next 30 seconds, which absorbs souls from any nearby kills (~40-60 radius) regardless of what dealt the killing blow.

This is why we really only ever need one Unending Hunger.




@ aeri0r:
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aeri0r wrote:
At first, thanks for this really awesome Guide! It´s a bit spread out, but at least one of the most informative! :)

Secondly a small question:

What are your thougts of 4 white socketed Triad Grip over Grip of the Council?
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4 white socketed Triad Grip

Withering Touch Support on Zombies would give up to 90% more damage on a boss, so that's nice. Aside from Despair and Occultist, it's hard to lower chaos resistance, so you'd want an Animated Guardian with items that do so (e.g. Crown of the Tyrant or fossil-crafted helm).

It'll be hard to get, though. Vorici only does up to 3 white sockets. You'd have to rely on the Altar of Corruption in the Temple of Atzoatl to get 4 white sockets.
Last edited by Hercanic on Sep 12, 2019, 6:21:43 PM

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