[3.4] KissMeQuick's Pet Viper Strike | Starter for FRIENDS to fight against UBER ELDER with FRIENDS!

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danielhn147 wrote:

Sorry if this was asked already, but why are added chaos dmg and viper strike so good at lvl 21? wiki shows only a small dmg increase.

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danielhn147 wrote:

Sorry if this was asked already, but why are added chaos dmg and viper strike so good at lvl 21? wiki shows only a small dmg increase.

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Emphasy wrote:

I'm a bit worried about the Heralds. Herald of Purity is 47% Mana and Herald of Agony is 64%, how can you run both? If you have Vile Toxins its even more.

The reason why Herald of Agony and Herald of Purity Minions are both worthless is because you cannot really support them, without having to deal with insane reservation costs. You might be able to run only a 5l Herald of Agony and thats basically it.

Also Vile Toxins is not really good on the Herald. It deals 1600 - 3200 base physical damage, and if it doesnt have insane damage effectiveness adding some low values to that is meaningless. And using GMP on it is basically a nogo, because you have to reserve 65% more mana for it, so it can't be relied on for clear, its more of a boss killer propably. Because bosses also make it easier to keep the 40 Agony Stacks.

Also the poison spreading is said to be weak (only spreading the strongest poison) and it also hurts the crawler, because if enemies die by a) The crawler, b) spread poison or c) the protector or d) the Purity Sentinels you wont get Agony Stacks. So the crawler is likely not even reliably on high stacks while clearing.

Also if the Crawler is good against bosses, switching for Scourge is propably better. Trashmobs will never get 5 Poison Stacks, so you dont get the extra chaos damage so scourge clears better. It also gives so damage to your crawler, although this is propably not too much.

Also the Crawler needs good low-mana supports. Empower might be a good one, considering its only 25% more mana. Vicious Attacks is 20% more, so also a good option. Minion Damage is 30% more but gives a good buff. With those 3 the Herald of Agony would cost almost 50% Mana, which is much better than the 64% from before and it deals more damage against bosses.

Overall the crawler has 2400 average base damage, 120% increased AS and about 800% increased damage. Empower will make the first number bigger, but no idea by how much. Assuming 1 Attack per second the crawler on itself has 47500 dps. If we assume Empower is about 30% more damage (which it usually is with other skills), the supported crawler has a bit above 120k dps. So if he just stands there attacking a target he does some decent damage, but if you have a build dealing 5m dps he is not too good. Of course he gets some benefit from curses and wither, but he is propably better suited for something like a CA build who really benefits from any additional single target damage they can get, while also not having many useful ways to reserve mana. For Viper Strike I would rather go for Arctic Armor and use an unsupported Herald of Agony and Purity.

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coffeecrank wrote:

Ziggy did mention in his video that HoA scales off poison stacks and might not even need extra support gems, i.e. it's good on its own. But even if one uses support gems (which will be a lot of mana reservation), HoP really doesn't need support it seems. Not sure how good these purity minions are, but I think for this build they're not as important as the agony crawler, so HoP is there for the buff mostly.

Eh, can't wait to test all of this out.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

it's mostly just waiting now.

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sangvinu2 wrote:

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

it's mostly just waiting now.

can we get a lvl 30 tree pls? Im at work, cant check pob
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