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Thanks, I never thought to simply check the damage comparison... dude... Im asking about max end shit and if a 6th buff spectre might change things. If you don't have any information to provide, don't try to help by saying "check the pob" like that isn't something I've pored over for hours... This is obviously not a novice question.
This was already tested with 4 spectres + 1 support but in the end it wasnt worth it, i was just trying to tell you you dont have to force a 6. spectre.
But ye, the support spectre being the 6. instead of 5. will definitely change everything.
And therein lies the question because it's not obvious and PoB can't calculate it right.. and the helmet changes whether you can even use an ape for frenzies reliably... he's useless because you can't throw him on a BM hat. So not an option. There are many quandries that arise when you get a true GG hat and have to figure out how 6 vs 5 and support or not. And therein lies my problem. This is not a matter of basic stuff. It's more complicated because the hat has dedicated supports.
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Posted bynogglebeakon Sep 30, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
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Thanks, I never thought to simply check the damage comparison... dude... Im asking about max end shit and if a 6th buff spectre might change things. If you don't have any information to provide, don't try to help by saying "check the pob" like that isn't something I've pored over for hours... This is obviously not a novice question.
Ok, specifically to your question: I tested 4 SDs and a chieftain and hated it. If you could get to 6 spectres and not lose damage, what would you run as your 6th? If you’re speaking for end game min/max, you’re already set up for lightning so you wouldn’t want to introduce a spectre that deals a different elemental damage (elemental army and -lightning res for instance on zombies and AG helm).
I don’t feel like there is a need for more damage with this build, so it seems to me the push should be for more survivability. What did you have in mind?
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Posted bySeverinzeon Sep 30, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
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I agree...
Kay's build was always about DPS. Kill the shit out of it before it kills you.
The old necro block days were boring... Shield charge. Fortify. Block. Repeat.
I think we have plenty of tankyness without having to do block...
That and I like my DPS... :)
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ElCatti, so, after using a gg PoH build and the new W&S v2, which “feels” better to you?
I miss Eldritch Battery.
But besides that im slightly more tanky but had to pay for it in dps and i sometimes feel it in the maps im running, which is why im not switching over to Bone Offering. It would be a roughly 30% dps loss im not willing to take bc i dont want to lose the ability to oneshot the phases during the Tower boss enounter.
No offense to Kays posted Minotaur kills but the map themselves were jokes compared to maps with double Beyond, Einhar/Jun mission, Harbinger Zana mod, Blight Spawn, 4 Sextants on a map with 130% quant, all condensed into a narrow room.
In cases like this you actually need more dps combined with some of the tankiness.
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Posted byNightstone13on Sep 30, 2019, 11:11:10 AM
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I tried the +3 helm with concentrate/min dam. It sucks.
When you use concentrate on SD's you regular mapping is just crappy. They don't reach out far enough. Ends up feeling clunky.
DPS actually takes a hit because your losing a gem slot from the empower.
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Thanks, I never thought to simply check the damage comparison... dude... Im asking about max end shit and if a 6th buff spectre might change things. If you don't have any information to provide, don't try to help by saying "check the pob" like that isn't something I've pored over for hours... This is obviously not a novice question.
Ok, specifically to your question: I tested 4 SDs and a chieftain and hated it. If you could get to 6 spectres and not lose damage, what would you run as your 6th? If you’re speaking for end game min/max, you’re already set up for lightning so you wouldn’t want to introduce a spectre that deals a different elemental damage (elemental army and -lightning res for instance on zombies and AG helm).
I don’t feel like there is a need for more damage with this build, so it seems to me the push should be for more survivability. What did you have in mind?
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Posted byNightstone13on Sep 30, 2019, 11:16:02 AM
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Damn this build keeps changing swiftly.. :/
Time to purchase some regrets, gear and re-lab etc.
I love Metallica
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Posted bymstrovpuptzon Sep 30, 2019, 11:17:40 AM
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Damn this build keeps changing swiftly.. :/
Time to purchase some regrets, gear and re-lab etc.
There’s no need to do any of that. You can comfortably clear all content with a cheaper v1 or v2 build. Most of us are just trying to completely min/max the build and several of us want to push 100 for the first time. Which, as dying is counterintuitive to that, is something we are wanting to theorycraft and are willing to spend tons of exalts on. Spectres can comfortably clear all content with a <1ex budget and that includes several variants of the skill tree and just about any set of lab passives, so don’t feel the need to make drastic changes to anything. And if you’re unsure about something, just ask.
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Posted bySeverinzeon Sep 30, 2019, 11:26:51 AM
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Damn this build keeps changing swiftly.. :/
Time to purchase some regrets, gear and re-lab etc.
even kay in need of regrets orb LOL
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Posted byzenromon Sep 30, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
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I basically swapped from PoH to your W&S v2 and sold my other equipment to finance really good life rolls on all my gear. In the passive tree I picked up all the Survivability and only thing I opted for instead is to keep necromatic aegis and Vic. I’m at about 7800HP ish and doing alright. Is there a point I should swap to the block shield setup? The goal is 1000+ delve depth and 100 ( first league for me) I’m farming t16 and delve atm. Not sure what to upgrade to or do next aside from 30+ ex plus on a wand and a chest with more life eventually,
Thanks!
Hmm maybe drop AG? I see the stone golem procs -10 lightening res.
Regret 5%hp node and get the Soul of steel will be better for you. Nice setup that you got astral plate + armor base glove and boots :D
Thanks, I would love to take credit for the armor bases but it just kind of happened lol. Do you think it’s better to anoint Soul of Steel instead of righteous army or w/e and lose dps for the node or instead go the passive route and lose some HP for the node
Thanks!
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Posted bySubtlexon Sep 30, 2019, 11:37:41 AM
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Damn this build keeps changing swiftly.. :/
Time to purchase some regrets, gear and re-lab etc.
Please don't tell me you have been doing uber lab to change ascendancy passives. Since you can do that by using 10 regret orbs per two nodes (so one minor and one notable node).
You have to run lab only if you're going to change the whole ascendancy. Like from Necromancer to Occultist for example. And then the normal lab is ok too.
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Posted byWermineon Sep 30, 2019, 11:41:43 AM
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Thanks, I would love to take credit for the armor bases but it just kind of happened lol. Do you think it’s better to anoint Soul of Steel instead of righteous army or w/e and lose dps for the node or instead go the passive route and lose some HP for the node
Thanks!
The guide goes down there anyway and you could afford it if you get rid of your Aegis and the nodes leading to it.
Btw with all this armor a Molten Shell might be better than your IC.
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