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Devant wrote:

What green support does everyone run for uber elder with SGs?

gmp? lmp? slower proj?

I almost had him down last time with GMP but I was wondering if it's better to use slower proj to just nuke them down a bit faster.

GMP drops the damage by quite a large amount (26% less), so LMP is better (16% less), if you don't want to gem swap for bosses.

I wouldn't recommend Slower Proj unless you really know what you're doing. You need to be good at re-positioning your SGs, otherwise the fireballs travel so slowly they actually miss the target (when Shaper/Elder teleport).

Go with Pierce.

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Sunshine80 wrote:

How spectres endures delve darkness?

Minions are immune to darkness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O58UudiXvi4

SG - Minotaur clear

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vici12 wrote:

As a standard player, did the damage per spectre of this build get somehow nerfed by the legion patch? I feel like a minotaur fight took way longer than it should have.

Nothing seems different on the skilltree or with the skills themselves, though. Might be just a one time thing, so just wanna make sure.

If you played in 3.6, you will notice a DPS drop for Fire-Eaters. I did a quick check and it looks like GGG changed their base stats when they put them back into Act 1. This was an undocumented change.


Here're their basic stats in 3.6:


Compare that to 3.7:



Cast rate 5 -> 3. Damage 407 -> 543.

Yeah they got gutted lol still hoping it's a bug.

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Yeah they got gutted lol still hoping it's a bug.

Sadly, I don't think it was.

Two stats changed: cast rate and damage. If it were only one stat, then could be an accident.

@kayella

How you feel playing both versions, FE/SG and now using the spiders build ?
You think it is worth it to switch to spiders ?

How about a comparison between the builds for map clearing and boss killing ?

So after this nerf of what seems like 20% reduction to FE's overall dps, is there any better spectre than them, or are they still the best, even nerfed?

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vici12 wrote:

So after this nerf of what seems like 20% reduction to FE's overall dps, is there any better spectre than them, or are they still the best, even nerfed?

Solar Guards for map clear, FE for delve, Enhanced Vaal Fallen for bossing.

If you want an 'all-rouder', stick to solar guards with gem swap.

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vici12 wrote:

So after this nerf of what seems like 20% reduction to FE's overall dps, is there any better spectre than them, or are they still the best, even nerfed?

I think with the nerf, FEs have lost their undisputed* position. This actually makes the game more interesting because we can try different things.

I would categorise them:

Mapper: Frost Sentinel (freeze/shatter)
Delve/Boss: Fire-Eater
All-round: Solar Guard
Uber Elder farmer: Enhanced Vaal Fallen

Overall best for Legion league mechanic: Solar Guard *


Frost Sentinels are by far the best mapper purely because the can freeze/shatter, and seems to have a really large agro radius. However, you might go blind or have a seizure.

Fire-Eater have lost their top end damage, but their melee range spell means they are really good for tight/indoor maps. They still do a lot of DPS, too. They are very quiet.

Solar Guards are just good at everything. Their only downside is shooting a single fireball, so you will want to use GMP/LMP for mapping, which decreases damage. They're also kind of noisy.

Enhanced Vaal Fallen absolutely destroy bosses. It's actually really fun to see Shaper lose 5% hp in one hit. But, they move like snails, so you need some Arakaali spiders to be able to map. Imagine them as being WWII bombers and the spiders as the fighter escorts.


* Unfortunately, Legion mobs cannot be frozen/shattered. Otherwise, I think Frost Sentinels would edge out Solar Guards for best Legion league spectre.