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bliss1234 wrote:

This is one of the best build guides I have read on here. Very informative good job.

I am practicing this on SSF standard right now, and bosses are pretty rough before first ascendancy without the early uniques. Im sure once I get that first ascendancy this build will turn into a monster.

Thanks for the support.

I think the build, and spectres in general, are a little difficult in SSF, especially as a first character. The boots, give +1 spectre which is a 50% damage boost overall.

Also, spectres are somewhat underpowered pre-ascendancy. But, I think it's worthwhile switching early to get a handle on the play style of the class. Some summoners might delay a full switch to later.

As for ascendancies:
The first ascendancy helps more with survivability (2% regen).
The spectres become powerful after the second ascendacy (+100% dmamage).
Third ascendancy is for resists (+20% ele res)
Fourth gives some boost to damage and cast speed (you can even skip this).

Is that better to start league than WO if i didnt play both builds?

So Phantasms are better than Elemental Focus?

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Sttorr wrote:

So Phantasms are better than Elemental Focus?

I think it should be tested ingame. But i hope yes. Less damage from spectres, but 10 additional minions. And as i know they use physical spells, so all other gems will affect them too.

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QuaQaq wrote:

Is that better to start league than WO if i didnt play both builds?

I would say that this build has better clear because you can just keep running without stopping. Survivability is a bit low because there's no leech, so you need to actively dodge stuff and just get out of the way. Single target dps is high.

WO is like a ranged version of Blade Vortex, in that you need to stop occasionally to build your charges. Survivability is good because you can leech (in 3.6 ES leech will be awesome). I'm not sure what the single target is like, though.

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Sttorr wrote:

So Phantasms are better than Elemental Focus?

Firstly, Openarl just pushed a PoB update that takes into account the curse effectively change! So the numbers for this build have jumped up slightly.

Here are the calculations (in shaper DPS):

6L Cannibal Fire-Eaters:
1.496 x 4 = 5.98 mil

5L Cannibal Fire-Eaters + Phantasms:
986 x 4 = 3.944
226 x 11= 2.486
= 6.43 mil

Now, they may not all hit the target at exactly the same time, so the DPS won't be exactly 6.4mil. But now that Phantasms have a 10% chance of spawning and each Fire-Eater hits 19 times a second, you don't have to worry about them despawn in a boss fight, which means we no longer need to gem swap!



On a side note, it is possible to reach 8mil+ shaper DPS with this build.

Thought about HoA occultist again or may be some chaos spells. But after i saw this build i want to start with it :D Didn't try Fire-eaters yet, so it should be something interesting and new for me (i love testing builds, crafting nice items for these builds, got a lot of currency in betrayal just through recreating chars, buying/crafting gear and selling it to test next build). Can't wait for 0-hour anymore :) And one more reason for this build - seems like es gear will be overpriced (hello, es leech from spells and new support gem). But what do you think, is it possible to get 10k+ es and these tonns of damage with occultist?

DPS numbers for phantasms are probably completely wrong in PoB.

They use a base dmg based on the spectre's lvl. This would be roughly equivalent to linking them to a lvl27 raise zombie.

They get bonuses from the Raise Spectre gem (which could be true).

They get buffed by Soul Weaver! (x) Doubt

Getting nowhere with finding answers to how things actually work. Because GGG and minions...

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Cynooo wrote:

DPS numbers for phantasms are probably completely wrong in PoB.

They use a base dmg based on the spectre's lvl. This would be roughly equivalent to linking them to a lvl27 raise zombie.

They get bonuses from the Raise Spectre gem (which could be true).

They get buffed by Soul Weaver! (x) Doubt

Getting nowhere with finding answers to how things actually work. Because GGG and minions...

Yeah, I guess you could be right about that; a lot of the minion stuff is hidden. But Openarl does work for GGG, and I think the last major minion update was after he started there, so I'm hoping it's not wrong.

So, if i don't want to use Spectres from lvl28 (they're way too clunky for my taste to use early), what should i level with?
I'm pretty set on a spectre starter, but completely lost on how to level it 'till act 8&solar guards :D
SRS, zombie+skellies, phantasms, or a combination of all of them, honestly don't know what should be better.