[3.4] Teleports Behind You - Poet's Pen Lightning Warp & Arc, MF / Facetank t16 / Shaper / U. Elder

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FriXtiOn27 wrote:

Hey ! Thanks for the guide ! Your build is so much fun ! I wanted to ask how good is Choir of the Storm (beside the %mana) ? And what golem whould you recommend if i have a slot left ? Thanks in advance

Choir is the best DPS amulet you can get for <1 ex. Only problem is that there's no resistances so you need to get that on your other gear.

I would use a chaos golem for more defense.

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dariidar wrote:

Now, considering that you have 20% more procs due to CDR gear, we can confidently say that your Ball Lightning does about 20% more damage than my ball lightning.

However, comparing our PoB once again, my shock nova does close to 60k damage while yours does about 40k. My shock nova is 50% stronger than yours! Furthermore, I also get choir's lightning bolt which deals about 30k dmg twice per second. Therefore I think that ultimately our damage ends up very similar despite your investment into CDR.

As you pointed out, good CDR gear and watchers eyes are damn expensive. That is why I opted for my variant, but I can see how strong your variant is as well.

You need to multiply the tooltip PoE dps with your attack speed. Using save Lag free ApS numbers like 3,7 for normal pens and 4,3 with cooldown reduction you get a 428769 dps on your build and 594435 on mine. Thats almost 30% more ball lighting dps, its more than 20% because slower projectile and cast speed increase BL dps in square and not linear. With helm enchantment the dps of both build should be around equal.

The lack of helm enchantment guts your build by a large margin. Its the biggest dps increase you can get.

After bring the Witch to 89 and died miserable in normal Atziri because I am blind to no attack the mirror clone xD, I changed back to the Scion version, put a Shaper life on hit with spells and the build worked great, I have a little less eHP, but I have less lvl so when I lvlup the eHP is gonna be the same, but I have immunity to reflect. On the other side I fell I have little less DPS, but more sustain.

But I have one doubt, the Lightning Thorn is not considered a reflected damage? Because I tried the Promenade boss, and when she activated the thorns my life just droped to zero in a second :(

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Zerber wrote:

You need to multiply the tooltip PoE dps with your attack speed. Using save Lag free ApS numbers like 3,7 for normal pens and 4,3 with cooldown reduction you get a 428769 dps on your build and 594435 on mine. Thats almost 30% more ball lighting dps, its more than 20% because slower projectile and cast speed increase BL dps in square and not linear. With helm enchantment the dps of both build should be around equal.

The lack of helm enchantment guts your build by a large margin. Its the biggest dps increase you can get.

Please show your math. Did you forget to include shock nova and choir of the storms dps? Did you see the calculator values I posted? Read the "total DPS" at the bottom.

From my last post:

My dps without helm enchantment, no flasks, with 46.5% shock effect:

[(136,955 ball lightning) + (60,000 shock nova)] * 3.7 attacks/sec = 728,733.
Choir of the storms hits 2x/sec, and 30k damage per hit. Final dps = 788,733.

Your dps with helm enchantment, no flasks, with 50% shock effect:

[(138,240 ball lightning) + (40,000 shock nova)] * 4.3 attacks/sec = 766,432.

This is all calculated without damage from the Shock Nova ring. If you include damage from the ring, the difference between our dps increases a little bit more.

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dariidar wrote:

Please show your math. Did you forget to include shock nova and choir of the storms dps? Did you see the calculator values I posted? Read the "total DPS" at the bottom.

From my last post:

My dps without helm enchantment, no flasks, with 46.5% shock effect:

[(136,955 ball lightning) + (60,000 shock nova)] * 3.7 attacks/sec = 728,733.
Choir of the storms hits 2x/sec, and 30k damage per hit. Final dps = 788,733.

Your dps with helm enchantment, no flasks, with 50% shock effect:

[(138,240 ball lightning) + (40,000 shock nova)] * 4.3 attacks/sec = 766,432.

This is all calculated without damage from the Shock Nova ring. If you include damage from the ring, the difference between our dps increases a little bit more.

You are putting constantly the wrong numbers in the Ball lightning dps calculator. If you would put the DPS of your ball lighting into the speard sheet instead of the average damage of a single hit than you would get my numbers. Your mistake is multiplying the spread sheet outcome with the APS, it doesnt work that way cause less and reduced projectile speed muliply your dps in square, I mean it clearly reads tooltip dps (ingame ball lighting dps threads BL as if it only hits 1x per sec) not average hit in the spreadsheet. Reduced cooldown = Attack speed and attack speed also multiplies ball lightning damage in square because more balls can hit at the same time.

10535 Ball lightning x 3,7 = 38979 DPS without helm enchant results in = 428769 real DPS

9216 (I have 9418 in PoB but whatever) x 4,3 = 39628 DPS = 594440 real DPS
Thats a whopping 28% more damage, all of it coming from cooldown and helm enchant.

Shock nova (both rings) do around 48k per hit = 206k dps which all in all is 800k dps.
With the lightning pen Wrath watchers eye it would have been over a Million.

Not having a helm enchant ruins your dps.

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Zerber wrote:

10535 Ball lightning x 3,7 = 38979 DPS without helm enchant results in = 428769 real DPS

Where are you getting this number? Can you look at my calculations again? You did literally the exact same calculation as me, but you fudged the numbers to make it look like I'm weaker.



Without helm enchant I am getting 506,727 ball lightning dps.

If you also count shock nova (60k * 3.7) and choir of the storms (30k * 2), then I end up with approx 790k dps. With both shock nova rings I end up with >830k dps. As you can see... pretty much the same result as the calculation I did in my previous post...

Using the same calculation you proposed in your last post, here is your dps (looks like you reported this one correctly):

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With the lightning pen Wrath watchers eye it would have been over a Million.

Yeah sure, but I'm not going to make a guide around an incredibly rare item that costs >20ex.

In fact, the odds of me getting 45% reduced ball lightning speed on my helmet, is probably higher than you getting a watcher's eye with vitality and wrath combined.

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dariidar wrote:

Without helm enchant I am getting 506,727 ball lightning dps.

Please dont cheat, thats your BL dps, I get the dps in your pic when I alter the AoE to 21%. Your selected Box in your pic is the AoE box. Means you could have put in 21% and altered it to 0% for the picture without it going into the calculation. Look at my picture and yours, in the red radius box your number is higher. That means it actually calculates a higher radius than 0%. Your dps duration is 2.61 and not 2.4 which is really fishy.

You have no aoe but your aoe is not base 20? Seriously are you so desperate to win an argument to cheat?




Your pic... made a screenshot so it cant be "accidently" deleted "cough".
Its pretty obvious that the AoE box is selected. In Google Calc that means
that its content can be altered without it beeing calculated if you do not hit enter.
The base radius without AoE is also clearly 22 which is plain wrong. Just look it up
in the poe wiki.



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rz9F8-PfsijZ_kNUNWURiRQabMCRbuaVGaLTie_oLDw/edit#gid=975172529

Everyone interested in seeing it himself this is the link to the spread sheet

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Zerber wrote:

The base radius without AoE is also clearly 22 which is plain wrong. Just look it up
in the poe wiki...

...You have no aoe but your aoe is not base 20?

My very own skilltree has 26% increased aoe, ever since I posted the build on Day 1.

Can you please read more thorougly? I am not "cheating..." Check many posts ago, I said that I assumed both of us took the Amplify node which puts our radius from 20 -> 22.

Here's the quote from the very beginning of our discussion:

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dariidar wrote:

First of all, I am aware of that ball lightning dps calculator. I compared our PoB numbers; I assumed that both of us grabbed the Amplify node (even though you didn't)

For some reason the "inc aoe" box was broken in my Google spreadsheet. So I modified it myself to 22. The spreadsheet with "your dps" has 22 radius as well, as I had discussed earlier. =_____________=

Here, I redid it. This is what it looks like using the spreadsheet that you linked, with all numbers entered correctly without "cheating?"



Literally the same dps.

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dariidar wrote:

Can you please read more thorougly? I am not "cheating..." Check many posts ago, I said that I assumed both of us took the Amplify node which puts our radius from 20 -> 22.

Here's the quote from the very beginning of our discussion:

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dariidar wrote:

First of all, I am aware of that ball lightning dps calculator. I compared our PoB numbers; I assumed that both of us grabbed the Amplify node (even though you didn't),

Your posted pic had zero AoE in the spread sheet. Posting that with an altered outcome is at best misleading. If your intention would have been honest you could have easily explained it. :/

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dariidar wrote:

For some reason the "inc aoe" box was broken in my Google spreadsheet. So I modified it myself to 22. The spreadsheet with "your dps" has 22 radius as well, as I had discussed earlier. =_____________=

It wont alter my dps cause if you use helm enchant and slower project gem the balls stay their whole life time in the radius of the targeted enemy. You could even go negative aoe and each ball would hit 15 times in its duration. AoE for it is only needed for clear.

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Zerber wrote:

It wont alter my dps cause if you use helm enchant and slower project gem the balls stay their whole life time in the radius of the targeted enemy.

I think this is another important point to note. When Pendulum of Destruction (Aoe) is active, my build's dps shoots even higher. So half of the time, my ball lightning damage looks closer to this...



Whereas your build gets no benefit during Pendulum (Aoe).

Sorry for harsh responses, I just get defensive when accused of cheating..