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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
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frankthetankkk wrote:
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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
The important node is Fury bolts and you can get that with 2 points in the original tree instead of 3 nodes in your tree. The extra leech isn't really helpful since we're capped at 20% anyway and take no nodes to increase that. In any case if you spend an extra point on the original tree you can get that too.
So basically what you've done is substituted a travel node with a 10% proj damage node (which is good but hardly noticeable) and have made a tree that requires you to get a higher level in order to get the same nodes as the original tree.
So for someone willing to go to level 96 (in order to complete the life wheel) your tree is slightly better. For anyone not wanting to go that far the original tree is better.
You continue to be wrong about this. The OG tree uses 7 travel points along the bottom, he drops all of those, uses 5 travel points in the new path, and the TWO not one, extra points are 20% proj damage, not 10%.
I continue to be right about this since this new tree requires you to go to level 96 in order to get everything. If you can understand my post you will see that at that level it is indeed a bit more efficient (if you only look at damage). However for someone (like me) who doesn't intend to level that high the original tree allows you to get the important keystones at a lower level.
With the original tree you get everything (including Fury bolts) at level 95. You can also stop at level 93 if you don't want Fury bolts. With the new tree you need to get to 96.
Personally I've done something even better (in my case). I've dropped Acuity and got Fury bolts saving a point at level 92. You can't possibly do this with the new tree !
With my gear:
Original tree, 317K Shaper DPS, 7750 Life (lvl 96)
New tree 318K DPS, 7677 Life (lvl 96)
You see that you get a minimal increase in DPS (0,3%) and you lose a bit of life (73). In this case that amount of life is better than the insignificant damage increase.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/3.2.0/AAAABAEBANlhFHWNucv1_EvUUhiRaGW18sABBiAFLXfjYVKGYH7dggd2518_m1jvTryfUUd07SP2vqdHfnTx-OtnoAbGMbB_K9I46mLkUfSDrQkk_UZpBqKtjaZXTeN9cyFg8kWkeGVNVvpeExRNhVLAGnSgG6qNfeOf02831P1uNZL-j5d5yx54-cEHOlJGtxjbi0_z3YzP51TcvU2SFCAx-_ZIOFNjF8HVdqwOPBRxWGMwfDGeh3btP5tqmmpvO3rvSn064f_edcvYvf4Kj2BAoG8nF9w26DJ-137e-OoYeA2kwlivqW53189-vTY9_OcP2XyE2cbYUEfvDvONIq8oKgHc
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/3.2.0/AAAABAEBANlhW68UdY25y_X8S9RSGJFoZbXybycGIAUtOuGGYCPTft2CB3bnXz-bWLyfUEcj9r6nR36E2c9-LlMGxjGwfytvO9d-5FEX3CT9BqKtjf_eTeN9c_JFpHh671b6FE2FUsAadKAbqo1945_Tb6TCN9T9bre2_o-XecseePnBB0MxOlKLT_PdjM_nVNy97w4UIDH79kg4U2MXwdV2rA48FHHawVhjMHyNfod27T_e-JtqkAqaaigqTipRR2VNwQR5aDWS6mLYvfjrPfyPYK0Jxtj0g2eg5w_SOL02TP-pbngN6hjAAXfX_goyfnTt843ZfHXLTZKmV3fjIq9KfQHc
This is because you are taking FOUR leech nodes lol....The implication here is that you do not take the mana leech mode, and if you really need mana leech you get it on gear. Obviously if you choose to take four leech nodes pathing that why becomes pretty pointless. However, if you do not take the mana leech node, like I have been saying, you GAIN 20% proj damage.
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Posted byfrankthetankkk#6707on Mar 28, 2018, 12:50:15 PM
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Just a quick question. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to use Concentrated Effect over Faster Attacks for higher overall damage or what?
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Posted byEnforc3R#4848on Mar 28, 2018, 2:05:35 PM
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frankthetankkk wrote:
This is because you are taking FOUR leech nodes lol....The implication here is that you do not take the mana leech mode, and if you really need mana leech you get it on gear. Obviously if you choose to take four leech nodes pathing that why becomes pretty pointless. However, if you do not take the mana leech node, like I have been saying, you GAIN 20% proj damage.
You are so funny! You keep making claims about the efficiency of the tree and yet you haven't even looked at the tree this user posted.
HE TAKES 4 LEECH NODES!
You comment on a tree that you haven't even looked at. Here, have a look at it for the first time. Then maybe you can make an informed comment.
https://i.imgur.com/zjNXiy0.jpg
From League Starter to Shaper – Cheap, Tanky, Fast and Fun Physical ST – Very Detailed Guide
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2077519
Gannicus, God of the Arena – Deathless Uber Elder for Everyone
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2627521
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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
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frankthetankkk wrote:
This is because you are taking FOUR leech nodes lol....The implication here is that you do not take the mana leech mode, and if you really need mana leech you get it on gear. Obviously if you choose to take four leech nodes pathing that why becomes pretty pointless. However, if you do not take the mana leech node, like I have been saying, you GAIN 20% proj damage.
You are so funny! You keep making claims about the efficiency of the tree and yet you haven't even looked at the tree this user posted.
HE TAKES 4 LEECH NODES!
You comment on a tree that you haven't even looked at. Here, have a look at it for the first time. Then maybe you can make an informed comment.
https://i.imgur.com/zjNXiy0.jpg
You're right he does. It is nonetheless more efficient though, by one point, and if you opt not to take the mana leech node which I would argue you don't need, you get two points.
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Enforc3R wrote:
Just a quick question. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to use Concentrated Effect over Faster Attacks for higher overall damage or what?
Yes. Some people like FA for clearing, but even then I think Conc is better overall.
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One quick note: you can save 1 passive point on the Tectonic tree by pathing behind the jewel socket instead (next to the axe wheel). This path can be taken on Molten Strike and does not change points allocated. |
Posted bysortitus#2808on Mar 28, 2018, 4:31:40 PM
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frankthetankkk wrote:
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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
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frankthetankkk wrote:
This is because you are taking FOUR leech nodes lol....The implication here is that you do not take the mana leech mode, and if you really need mana leech you get it on gear. Obviously if you choose to take four leech nodes pathing that why becomes pretty pointless. However, if you do not take the mana leech node, like I have been saying, you GAIN 20% proj damage.
You are so funny! You keep making claims about the efficiency of the tree and yet you haven't even looked at the tree this user posted.
HE TAKES 4 LEECH NODES!
You comment on a tree that you haven't even looked at. Here, have a look at it for the first time. Then maybe you can make an informed comment.
https://i.imgur.com/zjNXiy0.jpg
You're right he does. It is nonetheless more efficient though, by one point, and if you opt not to take the mana leech node which I would argue you don't need, you get two points.
As I have said 3 times already you need to get to level 96 in order to get everything with his tree. It's only better if you go that high. Otherwise you need to leave out something because you're forced to get extra nodes in the Fury bolts cluster. I really don't know how to say this more clearly. Maybe you don't want to understand it because it spoils your argument.
Also you can't leave out mana leech and claim that makes the tree more efficient. You need to get the same features in both trees for them to be comparable. Otherwise you can start removing things like life or damage and claim that you can get those in your gear. This is utterly pointless. Only compare trees with the same features.
From League Starter to Shaper – Cheap, Tanky, Fast and Fun Physical ST – Very Detailed Guide
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2077519
Gannicus, God of the Arena – Deathless Uber Elder for Everyone
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2627521
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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
As I have said 3 times already you need to get to level 96 in order to get everything with his tree. It's only better if you go that high. Otherwise you need to leave out something because you're forced to get extra nodes in the Fury bolts cluster. I really don't know how to say this more clearly. Maybe you don't want to understand it because it spoils your argument.
Also you can't leave out mana leech and claim that makes the tree more efficient. You need to get the same features in both trees for them to be comparable. Otherwise you can start removing things like life or damage and claim that you can get those in your gear. This is utterly pointless. Only compare trees with the same features.
No one was talking about what level you've gotta get to....Pathing that way is straight up better, end of story. I path that way, LiftingNerd pathed that way in his MS build. At the end of the day though, do whatever the fuck you want.
One piece of advice I can give you regardless of what you believe about the above argument, is that you are pathing inefficiently in your Ascendency. The added area of affect from the endurance charges is a pretty decent DPS loss, and you would be much better off pathing downward to the defensive nodes.
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frankthetankkk wrote:
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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
As I have said 3 times already you need to get to level 96 in order to get everything with his tree. It's only better if you go that high. Otherwise you need to leave out something because you're forced to get extra nodes in the Fury bolts cluster. I really don't know how to say this more clearly. Maybe you don't want to understand it because it spoils your argument.
Also you can't leave out mana leech and claim that makes the tree more efficient. You need to get the same features in both trees for them to be comparable. Otherwise you can start removing things like life or damage and claim that you can get those in your gear. This is utterly pointless. Only compare trees with the same features.
No one was talking about what level you've gotta get to....Pathing that way is straight up better, end of story. I path that way, LiftingNerd pathed that way in his MS build. At the end of the day though, do whatever the fuck you want.
One piece of advice I can give you regardless of what you believe about the above argument, is that you are pathing inefficiently in your Ascendency. The added area of affect from the endurance charges is a pretty decent DPS loss, and you would be much better off pathing downward to the defensive nodes.
I've been talking about level requirements from the beginning. [Removed by Support]
I've given specific examples with numbers. You've given nothing but theories. And now that you've lost the argument you start cursing.
Relax dude, it's just a game.
From League Starter to Shaper – Cheap, Tanky, Fast and Fun Physical ST – Very Detailed Guide
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2077519
Gannicus, God of the Arena – Deathless Uber Elder for Everyone
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2627521 Last edited by Blank_GGG#0000 on Mar 30, 2018, 1:48:52 PM
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Aias_o_Telamonios wrote:
I've been talking about level requirements from the beginning. [Removed by Support]
I've given specific examples with numbers. You've given nothing but theories. And now that you've lost the argument you start cursing.
Relax dude, it's just a game.
Haha, that's what I was sayin. Do you baby, if you think that's the way to go. He clearly thinks his way is cool, and it is, you were the one who originally got all up in arms bro, relax.
Your Ascendancy choices are definitely not efficient, however.
What you should be doing as Jugg is take more Endurance Charge nodes, and take Unrelenting. Unyielding is practically worthless if you are playing MS, and is probably even detrimental.
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