[3.0]Roicki's Starforge BM cyclone GUARDIANS / SHAPER / UBER IZARO / UBER ATZIRI / VIDS

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Chridian wrote:

so I recently got some currency and thought about trying 1 more build before the league is over (atleast 1 more) and this I think is it, always loved cyclone and havent done a phys cycloner in a while, i was curious, is the cyclone attack speed enchant the best to get or the damage one?

They are very close in output. The damage one can be slightly better but it depends on your gear. For me it's better because I have plenty of attack speed on gear / tree / jewels and the damage bonus outscales the attack speed one.

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djnat wrote:

This is my current maximum cyclone potential while buffed / flasked, and keep in mind that this does not count Ruthless (the tooltip damage is not affected by it apart from the 10% attack damage bonus from its quality), Intimidate from BotD and Maim debuff.

Nice damage there :D

Do you usually map with Conc effect in your cyclone setup ?


Could you please give some info on flask setup and flask rolls you would run ? ( My char is Trsh_HB)

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Lÿn wrote:

Nice damage there :D

Do you usually map with Conc effect in your cyclone setup ?


Could you please give some info on flask setup and flask rolls you would run ? ( My char is Trsh_HB)

No, I usually run Increased Area of Effect for mapping and switch Conc Effect only at guardians / uber / Shaper.

This is the flask setup I run at endgame bosses.



For exp maps (full sextant shaped Courtyards / Racecourses) or guild Beachhead rotations I run a life flask in place of the writhing jar and a chemist's basalt flask of grounding in place of Lion's Roar.

Why not Witchfire Brew Stibnite Flask?

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Spanca wrote:

Why not Witchfire Brew Stibnite Flask?

Because I prefer to run a regular Stibnite flask with the warding suffix to be perma-immune to map curses. And to be honest, having 4 (or 5 if you own a +20 ample one) charges on a Stibnite is amazing, since the blind debuff from the smoke cloud is a mastodontic defensive layer in 99% of the content of the game (with the only few exceptions being resolute technique foes like Daresso).

I also run Punishment on my CWDT setup, so Vulnerability would be completely useless since I can't dual curse mobs (plus, in my PoB testings Vulnerability provides slightly less DPS than Punishment itself).

Roicki, should I take a crimson dance? Because in pastbin its taken but in skilltre in Your build guide not. Take it or not?

Currently running this version without BM (for using blasphemy aura), just a small 0.4% mana leech is enough to sustain mana for all mapping and map boss. Do you think it's worth running w/o BM to use blasphemy and possibly Haste?

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ziomek339 wrote:

Roicki, should I take a crimson dance? Because in pastbin its taken but in skilltre in Your build guide not. Take it or not?

He said on youtube comment that he respecced it considering that it did not contribute enough dps

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wiwigvn wrote:

Currently running this version without BM (for using blasphemy aura), just a small 0.4% mana leech is enough to sustain mana for all mapping and map boss. Do you think it's worth running w/o BM to use blasphemy and possibly Haste?

It can be done for sure, accounting for a pretty large health loss. You can go for Haste + a curse of your choice on blasphemy and have mana leech somewhere in your gear / tree not to have mana issues. Haste is a great clearspeed enhancer. Going mana based means also that if you can use a Damage on full life gem in the cyclone setup with nearly 100% uptime.

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djnat wrote:

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wiwigvn wrote:

Currently running this version without BM (for using blasphemy aura), just a small 0.4% mana leech is enough to sustain mana for all mapping and map boss. Do you think it's worth running w/o BM to use blasphemy and possibly Haste?

It can be done for sure, accounting for a pretty large health loss. You can go for Haste + a curse of your choice on blasphemy and have mana leech somewhere in your gear / tree not to have mana issues. Haste is a great clearspeed enhancer. Going mana based means also that if you can use a Damage on full life gem in the cyclone setup with nearly 100% uptime.

i'm actually running damage on full life in my cyclone setup even if i'm running blood magic..
should i switch that gem for something else ?

No, it's not necessary. You should have about 90% uptime of the full life condition even with blood magic. The important thing is to have the Maim debuff in the mix, so you either have it on your cyclone setup or you link it to your warchief totem. The combined solution which provides the most DPS in boss fights is probably having a double 6-link with:

Cyclone | DoFL | Brutality | Ruthless | Conc effect | Melee phys
AW | Brutality | Conc effect | Ruthless | Maim | Bloodlust

If you don't want to use DoFL on Cyclone because you feel it has a bad uptime, you can use Maim on its setup and replace the one in the AW setup with Melee phys.