Can we collectively try to participate in PvP?
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Obviously there is broken shit. At a certain point you just have to find the counter. It sucks because some counter builds cost way too much time and energy to create. Even if you do, which I don't currently, eventually you will burn out especially with all the adjustments all the time. Broken shit is the only thing to get casuals to HLD. You all should embrace some basic brokeness so casuals can afford to pvp against other people's 2k exalt builds. Is there anything in the current HLD meta that is uncounterable? Builds with no counters definitely should be fixed. How does anyone know that there is no counter when there is infinite builds to be created. Get rid of the major outliers like HoT with 14 legacy GS lol. Hopefully some cool broken builds come with 3.0 :)
I Stream PvP Twitch.tv/GrindcoreTHRALL THE STORY OF MY Descent into the Abysmal Afterlife( HC to SC, too Stronk!) http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/346754 PK massacre, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldz09uBZ-ug Last edited by GrindcoreTHRALL on Jul 8, 2017, 1:23:05 AM
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" I agree with this Poe Pvp experience
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" total bullshit If you really think broken shit would bring casuals why aren t thy flooding 1 vs 1 or sarn right now? it is more broken 1 shot fest than it ever been! WTF casuals like broken shit my ass, what they like is winning and not loosing. at first someone will 1 shot them from 3 screen away without them having the possibility to even move they ll quit and complain (for good reason). WTF man broken shit, it been broken since forever ...have you seen people play more? LOL Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less on Jul 8, 2017, 2:51:39 AM
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" Sounds like someone who didn't read or just prefers to complain. This thread also seems to be turning rapidly into a complaining fest. This really is as far away from the point as you could get. Do some introspection. Are you here because you're nostalgically attached to the idea of PvP even tho it's never really been balanced? It just might've been favoring your kind of builds at some point in time, but there's always been broken shit and like I said there won't ever NOT be. This thread is trying to help gather people willing to stop taking it so fucking seriously and instead just see it for what it is. A game. I don't care what you think is and isn't viable, my question is "Do you wanna come play instead of crying all the time?" Crit Shockwave Totem 650k +: #1657327 / Crit VMS (1 mil DPS): #1511368 / Crit self-cast spark: #1565708 1.3 crit firestorm: #1280086 / 1.3 crit Ice Nova: #1219809 / Flame Nova (sire of shards incinerate): #1359847 Last edited by Simplesim45 on Jul 8, 2017, 2:12:45 AM
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I understand your POV and I know you just want to have fun but you should also understand why people don t play CTF against those kind of builds. it s no fun to be canon fodder spawn corps.
Poe Pvp experience https://youtu.be/Z6eg3aB_V1g?t=302 Last edited by Head_Less on Jul 8, 2017, 3:12:15 AM
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i'm up, i can abandon my KB if its requested and come with a Lightning Strike or Heavy strike build, if its going to be very useless i can gear up my pathfinder for fireball or ea (something competitive) etc etc.
"You have great power. You're right to be proud. It's unfortunate you have to die now, but I will honor you with 45% of my strength." Last edited by Rupenus on Jul 8, 2017, 5:58:56 AM
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I'm all up for it as always, but I'm in the same situation as Rup, we are in EU time zone.
I really enjoyed all ctfs and 3v3s we had so far, and what was surprising for me is that all people in those games were much more friendly than what you usually get on the forums. @harley about the std-league merge, it would of course be good for everyone in standard if it brings more people, but for the league casuals it will be really bad to match dedicated pvp players over and over. The casual-dedicated player ratio is much different in standard and temp league, and some people are explicitly looking for leaving behind all the tryhard butthurt competitive-wannabe players from standard and play casually in league. If a merge happens it will cause a lot of whining and even if we standard players would see an increase in players, overall less people would play PvP. @harley about organizing events, if you really want to bring in people you have to take it hard on yourself as the organizer, and give up complete brokenness and take the loses for the sake of reducing the butthurt. " Grindcore has a very good point. It's investment vs mechanics, and right now broken mechanics give at least a chance for people without much investment to bring down anyone. If the broken stuff would be fixed, the aoe overlaps, secondary damages, enchants, broken T value skills, you are looking at a very high entrance cost for PvP, you have to beat the massive investment of players, leg kaoms, legacy ES gear, mirroed weapons. It will never be fair for everyone, but if we actually want to bring in new players we have to understand that what's broken for us, is the chance for casuals to enter and compete. The reason we can't see people flooding is the lack of support and publicity for PvP, lack of rewards, and mainly lack of knowledge. For example if someone looks at my tank, hits it multiple times until the tempest kills them, they of course see no chance of beating that. What they are missing is the knowledge how to overcome it. There are some easy options like scorching ray, again, a broken skill which gives a chance to cheese around a severely broken defense mechanic, but it's far from the only way to beat it. People underestimate the power of maxed out BCR against my build, which is the best way to beat it with a blockable skill. I guess they don't mind if I mention them for a comparsion, Rupenus and Harley might be the most invested into damage of their skills, KB and Fireball, but often even they struggle to kill me quickly, because afaik they don't use 60%+ bcr. However Robin from our guild kills me with KB much easier, using two cheap mediocre wands, both with BCR, and our often annoying whirling warrior from sarn, sefsgf using a Tabula, and assuming other cheap gear can kill me in two shots using Fireball, because he is using very high bcr, and swaps out spell echo and gmp for more damage, better suiting the matchup. My point here is that knowledge and mechanics often beat investment. IGN: Márkusz My builds: thread/1600072 ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Last edited by Márkusz on Jul 8, 2017, 8:08:53 AM
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Rup, we used to traditionally organize CTF events around 9-11pmEST. You weren't in game last night at that time (just for example). We never made it a point to not invite you. We would've invited you. Just like Markusz, you euro-dudes aren't on around at that time. This time works great for people on my side of the world because they have gotten off work, eaten dinner, and ready to gaaaaaaaame.
Harley, I totally get it. Let me tell you the first defining moment of me suddenly stopping PVP'ing. (there were 2 pvp-oriented & 1 non-pvp oriented)
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I'm not gonna lie, I liked playing the vortex abuser. I refused to do serious 1v1/do ranked matches with him because of how broken it was, but it was fine for ctf especially since vortex/FB is rather slow in comparison to a lot of builds.
I won't mention names, but one of the pvp'ers best known for abusing the lamest skill ever for almost half a decade was egging me on hard to take it to the fullest limit possible. "It's not broken...it's in the game!" they would say. So I sat here with my commandment of winter gloves... my legacy kaoms... my scolds w/ lw dur enchant... my perf 4 mod jewels...perf +3 cold staff... all this shit and one night it hit me. I'm like...wtf am i doing? This shit's fucking gay as fuck, why am I doing this? Why am i taking it this far? I became aware and broke out of the matrix and never went back until the night before the patch where vortex would be nerfed. Same thing with Explosive Arrow offhand. Before Lacerate was OP, EA was a great offhand for my Champion considering I had lots of global dmg boosts, area dmg boosts, and really high global attack speed. Not to mention BM on tree. It was just such an easy adoption. And much like the vortex abuser, I was like, "Wait, wtf am i doing? this is gay as fuck, gadj;slfjksd;flkj" and I sold that stupid scrub ass quill for 90ex (so glad I did, it was right before vaal's tanked in price). So then I mirrored a copy of my own axe and used lacerate as my offhand, and it worked very well. But even then, using 2 "brokeN" melee skills because that's literally the only thing that you can do as a melee depressed me a bit. Once I finally traded up enough and got the Alt Art Demi gloves, I was so excited to stunt the full demi set around in sarn. Then I noticed the gloves fucking clipped with the matching AA demi armour. It might sound petty, but I took that as a sign. That was the 3rd strike. Fuck this game. "GGG isn't going to fix this shit", I thought to myself. 2 pieces of a matching AA armourset can't even work together in this game, and reddit won't complain about alt arts so it'll never be fixed. I contemplated quitting the game entirely and that's when I sold my alt arts/legacies/etc... started sinking every exalt into crafting. I was like, "Hey, if I strike out and spend all my currency and don't get shit, I'll just go into hibernation until 3.0...but if I make some good items then it's a win even if I never see a profit." Right now, I'm much happier crafting than I would be being offscreened/wintered/mined for a few hours a night. Some old CTF's: https://youtu.be/EzkG9aGn63M https://youtu.be/_KZhxU_Lwf8 https://youtu.be/0dea8Jetj9o https://youtu.be/dx7vShxVBzY 🎆🎆 www.youtube.com/c/Ahfack
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We post on the forums more then we PvP/play the game at all anymore...
Simply because it's the better version of the game. You show up here once a day, week, month or year. Type something that ultimately shits on everyone at once...then log out. You didn't have to endure some afk troll, automated 1 shot mechanic, aoe overlap or any of the other stooge douche bag bull shit you see in PvP. GGG, the ADA of gaming....huuuur i gotz mai skilz.
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" I agree - the CTF matches I participated in (with you) were extremely fun, and yeah, sometimes one team was way over-powered vs the other - but "random teams" shit happens. But despite organizing 3v3 CTF being a pain in the ass, it was certainly worth it. " I don't get invited either - perhaps for opposite and far more insulting reasons... ........ I don't know any clear solution to getting more people involved in PvP, much less CTF - people hate losing, and PvP is like 90% about losing, until you "get gud" and start winning - and even then, someone else can always kick yer ass. So for PvP, yer left two spectres of PvP: the ultimate cocksure dudes with current meta builds who'll participate and quit if they don't dominate as the smartest kid on the short bus, and the forlorn forum posts by the bitter remnants of by-gone metas who like to use their forum tears to lubricate the dildo of nostalgia. Or a third, us hypocrites. |
