[3.9?] Sidefx Frost Blades - Hyped for Support +

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Solmyr77 wrote:

Siatorix:
You should upgrade your flasks. No need to purchase expensive uniques, but crafting yourself some beneficial utility flasks with 20% quality sure help with your burst damage against bosses. Feel free to check mine for reference.

Boris:
Like __Max__ wrote, you need much more life. There is a basic rule that says: Don't wear too many uniques before you can afford them. And affording means the remaining rare items need to be so good that they make up for the defensive lacks of those uniques. There's a reason uniques are dirt cheap. You should start out with a rare in every slot (minus weapons, count Starkonja as a rare because it has a big life roll) that has a big life roll and as much resist as you can get. From there you start looking for offensive extras (WED or cold damage or attack speed for example).
Tabula is a special case and having a 6L sure is great, but it's a leveling item. You don't want to give up so many stats in the endgame. You can either buy a rare 6L (see stat priorities above) or go down to a 5L Belly as a transition item before you can afford a 6L Belly.

My own questions:
Does anyone know if PoB calculates the interaction of Ruthless and Multistrike correctly? I'm getting the same results for Ruthless whether or not I have Multistrike active. That doesn't feel right when the wiki says Ruthless only triggers on every 9th hit.
Also, how do I "enable" Hypothermia in PoB? It tells me +0 dps for it apparently thinks the enemy in question is not chilled. Yet i don't find any checkbox for that. And I'm not using Elemental Focus in that case.

Kaom's Root:
I'm on the fence about this. Yes it's a big life roll and stun immunity should be better than the 2sec Pantheon but I can't justify ditching an entire 4L setup. I think the weakest link is Assassin's mark. That's only Power charges vs trash, I'd rather keep the Orb of Storms that curses the boss and provides Power charges vs this boss. Ancient Warchief is out of the question and I also don't see losing the CWDT setup. So.. how about Unset rings for the auras and lose AM? Or just use decent rare boots? That's my current plan.

First of all, tyvm for the detailed reply! I have indeed a pretty low life rolled Belly (32%) and my max hp atm WITH kaom's roots is 5.3k. Also rings could definitely have more HP. My res' are all capped around 80-90% but i heard its beneficial to try getting to 115%. is this true? im very low on currency so gotta farm for those easier maps and get those upgrades. Do you think darkray vectors are better boots than kaom's? I see a lot of players using them.

Guys how do you deal with Int & Strength requirements ?? the skilltree has none of this nodes taken.... only dext dext dext 1 strength... I'm a little bit lost here... :(

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KouboMog wrote:

and 37.66 is better than IceBit? (189-287 with 1% against frozen enemi (witch is pretty anything))
I tried Ruthless, but i didn't feel the "power" if you see what i mean.
In this time, i'm looking for some good jewels, but i can't find anything GREAT. :(
I think i should go for life/damage and a bunch of lightning rez, i lack of this one and i would be able to change my amulette easiyer (and for a better one)

It depends. There is a natural point where a % more multiplier surpasses flat added damage. The more damage you already do, the more the multiplier can add whereas a flat boost like Ice Bite is better early on. Where you stand on that can only be answered by PoB.

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Siatorix wrote:

First of all, tyvm for the detailed reply! I have indeed a pretty low life rolled Belly (32%) and my max hp atm WITH kaom's roots is 5.3k. Also rings could definitely have more HP. My res' are all capped around 80-90% but i heard its beneficial to try getting to 115%. is this true? im very low on currency so gotta farm for those easier maps and get those upgrades. Do you think darkray vectors are better boots than kaom's? I see a lot of players using them.

You're welcome.
There is only one reason to go above 75% resists and that is the Elemental Weakness curse that you can roll on a map. If you avoid that roll or swap in a Purity of Elements aura, there's no need to go beyond 75%. So it comes down to QoL.
Darkray Vectors are just a cheap solution that doesn't mess around with the build like Kaom's do. I'm waiting for a good Two-toned Boots craft to replace them though. Rather have more life and unconditional move speed.

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Raizdoe wrote:

Guys how do you deal with Int & Strength requirements ?? the skilltree has none of this nodes taken.... only dext dext dext 1 strength... I'm a little bit lost here... :(

No guide uses those nodes because they become redundant eventually. You're still supposed to pick them over everything else if you need them to wear your items/level your main gems. You can also pick up quite some stats from an amulet like mine:

You can pickup Agate amulets and use alchs/essences on them to get something like that for yourself. Shouldn't be expensive to buy either for it has no crit related stats.

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Solmyr77 wrote:

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KouboMog wrote:

and 37.66 is better than IceBit? (189-287 with 1% against frozen enemi (witch is pretty anything))
I tried Ruthless, but i didn't feel the "power" if you see what i mean.
In this time, i'm looking for some good jewels, but i can't find anything GREAT. :(
I think i should go for life/damage and a bunch of lightning rez, i lack of this one and i would be able to change my amulette easiyer (and for a better one)

It depends. There is a natural point where a % more multiplier surpasses flat added damage. The more damage you already do, the more the multiplier can add whereas a flat boost like Ice Bite is better early on. Where you stand on that can only be answered by PoB.

Thanks. That what i was thinking tbh.

never used PoB so i really don't know how to. Right now i'm at 200-300K (without fask - with flask) but i don't have my 6L yet. (witch is Cold pen anyway)
My gems are Lv19Q20 (most of them) and i have some stuff that need to be changed (one ring maybe, my amulette for sure). I'm lvl 92, next level is the first Jew (so a bit more dps/life if i can put my hand on something nice and "not too expensive")

I think you can look my char/passive tree. If you have the time. I'm really not sure about what to do. I'm farming T11-14 without too much issue. But i can die quite easily and it's painfull (dunno how many time i died in this lvl 92 but it's too much :x )

@Solmyr77

I see i see :P i also run with 4blue int boots for movement speed, and its pretty nice. Would use vectors if it wasnt so hard to roll 4 blue on them, because extra frenzies is always very noice. I saw some good player (Kajean i think) use CWDT with vaal haste, is that a viable option for better dps? Also is a 6L rare better than a 5L belly? I found that ruthless didnt do as much dmg as added cold dmg/ice bite for example, but might just be because my gem is so low lvl and quality. What do you think is the best 6L setup for frost blades, and what would you drop in a 5L?

First of all sry for my english.

So guys im checking this topic few times in week (im playing also fb on harbringer seasson) and u guys complayning about bad survi with this build, and also about low dps on single target ofc its not perfect single target build but even with fb u can melt shapper easly i will link u guys link to my profile i went for full glass cannon around 4.6k hp and abbysus with enchant just for pure dps i have 640k on tooltip and im melt shaper easly clearing guardian w/o problems ofc u need to dodge almost everythink but its still easy as fck clear speed on maps is amazing and i rly like this build ofc Uber atziri is also viable but for her u can go with setup like mine trio rapes hard.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/PureHatee/characters

Hey guys, I would like you all to post a 1. 2. 3. type list of things you feel the guide needs or is missing and w/ the majority vote I will be sure to update or add w.e the most asked things are. Thank you!

Suggestions for sidefx06's guide

1. Your current gear displayed, it would be better to have it on this thread than looking at your profile. If you cant then maybe just add a example of a end game build.

2. Leveling (i.e, Levels x to x use these skills, leveling uniques used if any, aswell as any other tips you could give for newer players like me). I see you have tips and tricks already but maybe adopt most of it into a leveling section if you want and move it higher in the guide.

3. Clarity/layout. You already did a good job but perhaps to make it better try to make the Pros/cons not hidden, so when people view your guide for the first time they can see the pros and cons right away. As for other suggestions perhaps move things higher and lower depending on the importance and etc. Introduction/Mechanics (Along with pros and cons) on the top, move the updates, FAQ and Vids down, keep the build info/leveling guide in the middle, etc.

4. Flexibility? I wasn't sure what else to add but perhaps provide some end game suggestions for end game uniques and such that isnt set in stone/has some wiggle room (Not items that look like to be set in stone like Anguish Imperial Claw's unless you want to)

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PureHatee wrote:

First of all sry for my english.

So guys im checking this topic few times in week (im playing also fb on harbringer seasson) and u guys complayning about bad survi with this build, and also about low dps on single target ofc its not perfect single target build but even with fb u can melt shapper easly i will link u guys link to my profile i went for full glass cannon around 4.6k hp and abbysus with enchant just for pure dps i have 640k on tooltip and im melt shaper easly clearing guardian w/o problems ofc u need to dodge almost everythink but its still easy as fck clear speed on maps is amazing and i rly like this build ofc Uber atziri is also viable but for her u can go with setup like mine trio rapes hard.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/PureHatee/characters

Where u see ur real DPS? i want to know ^^

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KouboMog wrote:

never used PoB so i really don't know how to. Right now i'm at 200-300K (without fask - with flask) but i don't have my 6L yet. (witch is Cold pen anyway)
My gems are Lv19Q20 (most of them) and i have some stuff that need to be changed (one ring maybe, my amulette for sure). I'm lvl 92, next level is the first Jew (so a bit more dps/life if i can put my hand on something nice and "not too expensive")

I think you can look my char/passive tree. If you have the time. I'm really not sure about what to do. I'm farming T11-14 without too much issue. But i can die quite easily and it's painfull (dunno how many time i died in this lvl 92 but it's too much :x )

Well, using PoB isn't that hard. Just install it and import your character into it. Then fill out the config tab to make results comparable with others. Like checking your Frenzy and Power Charges or defining whether or not the target is a boss.

I've imported your character to see if there is anything I can do. Your gear looks much better than mine given that you have >700 more hp than I have. But let's see what we can do about your output:

Without any changes and my configuration your dps vs the Shaper is 341k. First thing I would do is to ditch the second life flask for a Diamond flask. That alone gets you to 417k - only during its uptime obviously. Replacing your Ice Bite with a same level Hypothermia gets that to 460k. More about gems below.

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Siatorix wrote:

@Solmyr77

I see i see :P i also run with 4blue int boots for movement speed, and its pretty nice. Would use vectors if it wasnt so hard to roll 4 blue on them, because extra frenzies is always very noice. I saw some good player (Kajean i think) use CWDT with vaal haste, is that a viable option for better dps? Also is a 6L rare better than a 5L belly? I found that ruthless didnt do as much dmg as added cold dmg/ice bite for example, but might just be because my gem is so low lvl and quality. What do you think is the best 6L setup for frost blades, and what would you drop in a 5L?

If you want 4 blue sockets on an armor/evasion item you can use the Vorici trick. You start with 2 sockets, apply the "at least 2 blue" craft, then you craft "3 sockets" for some Jeweler's. If the third socket is not blue, you apply "2 sockets", removing the third one and keeping the 2 blue sockets and craft "3 sockets" again. Repeat until 3 blue and then the same procedure alternating 3 and 4 sockets.
Vaal skills can't be triggered by CWDT. It's a nice buff if you can fit it in but keep in mind that you need souls to use it.
A 6L rare chest will obviously improve your damage by a lot, but I'm not sure if it's worth giving up several hundred hp. I went the 6L route last league with my archer and this time around I'm using a 5L Belly. Can't really tell what I prefer, probably the damage route because I've always been dps oriented.

So about gem links:
I've asked myself that question for a while now because there's no reasoning in the guide and other guides use other gems. I also hate giving vague or false information so I clicked around a bit in PoB. Note that the pictures are based on my gear.

1.picture: all flasks active, no support gems active:

Well this only shows that WED is the best gem in the game.

2.picture: all flasks active, 4L pre-selected (WED, Melee phys and Multistrike)

This is the most relevant imo. I have pre-selected WED for obvious reasons. It enhances both the melee and the projectile part of the gem and does the former better than every other gem. While Multistrike isn't at the top for melee dps, I chose it for QoL and clearspeed reasons. Feel free to disagree about this one. Melee physical because it's the next best gem without a drawback.
Conclusion: For big bosses, Elemental Focus is a clear winner for the 5th link. There is the drawback of removing ailments so you don't want to use it for mapping, but rather for Shaper/Guardians. It's +49.8% dps is unrivaled. Ruthless comes second at +39.1% followed by Hypothermia at +39.0%.
For the 6th link vs bosses you can't pick Hypothermia because it can't work with Elemental Focus, so Ruthless it should be.
For mapping and low bosses you pick Increased Critical Damage instead of Elemental Focus.

3. picture: no flasks active, no support gems active:

WED still reigns supreme. Gems that add flat damage (Ice Bite and Added Cold) rank higher because the base damage output is lower. That's natural because when you deal 1 damage, a 40% more multiplier only adds .40 damage whereas +5 damage deals so much more.
Picture not really relevant imo, because nobody plays below a 4L.

4.picture: no flasks active, 4L pre-selected (WED, Melee phys and Multistrike)

At my gear level at least, the multipliers already beat the flat damage gems even without flasks active.

Conclusions:
Ice Bite and Added Cold damage are good gems to use during leveling but get overtaken by multipliers in the endgame.
Hypothermia is great in theory because -unlike Ruthless- it also buffs the projectile damage. In practice you'd have to switch it for another gem when you swap in Elemental Focus. That's not only inconvinient but also a severe damage loss because the next best green gem (Ice Bite) gives way less damage than Ruthless.
Cold pen sucks and that's no surprise imo. While it's technically a multiplier, it has a low factor with diminishing returns. Napkin math:


So all these green gems are quite situational. I would go with these setups:
5L: WED, Multistrike, Melee Phys, Elemental Focus/Inc Crit Damage
6L: add Ruthless

edit: Just in case anyone is wondering. For the time being I've chosen Hypothermia over Ruthless for clearspeed reasons. Will have to recolor if and when I get to do Shaper/Guardians.. ;)