PVP RULES....

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My winter enchant is decree anyway, I don't have the time or patience to farm uberlab to get commandment. And it's not like I have multiple winter projectiles anyway. Basically I'm pretty cool.

Also what about scorching ray?

That's nice cupcake but i think u can afford to pay someone to run the lab for u.

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Ahfack wrote:

no winter enchant on gloves
no zerphi flask
no dying sun flask
no writhing jar flask
no pathfinder
no cluster trap support gem (aoe overlap)
no minefield support gem (aoe overlap)
no Beacon of Corruption Ascendancy passive
no legacy aegis/"immortal" builds
no primary "scaled" skill where the majority of the damage comes from secondary damages EA/HoT/Etc


maybe set a limit of hair trigger jewels on 1 build
maybe set a limit of legacy grand spectrum jewels on 1 build
maybe set a ele pen limit - 90pen? lol... shit's way too high - GGG are being fucktards letting it get this high

That's going to make things really one sided for well geared people. Only reason why people cheese is because it's easy and winning is not gated by currency - how many builds not using the above list can actually win against you? Probably only the well geared fb/la/br, and those are all ranged/caster.

But having said that, it's not a bad start.

Btw I'm just suggesting things, I'm not saying these should all be set in stone or I'm right or anything. I just view those as the biggest source of cheez

And although I'm not against a private premium sandbox server for pvp or premades, I do believe grinding for the gear in this game (huehuehue) is important and that's always been a part of a good arpg

The list is fair.

You probably have the best melee build for pvp in terms of items and skill, so if it's a list of broken things coming from the top, then it's worth listening to

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ctfs wrote:

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Ahfack wrote:

no winter enchant on gloves
no zerphi flask
no dying sun flask
no writhing jar flask
no pathfinder
no cluster trap support gem (aoe overlap)
no minefield support gem (aoe overlap)
no Beacon of Corruption Ascendancy passive
no legacy aegis/"immortal" builds
no primary "scaled" skill where the majority of the damage comes from secondary damages EA/HoT/Etc


maybe set a limit of hair trigger jewels on 1 build
maybe set a limit of legacy grand spectrum jewels on 1 build
maybe set a ele pen limit - 90pen? lol... shit's way too high - GGG are being fucktards letting it get this high

That's going to make things really one sided for well geared people. Only reason why people cheese is because it's easy and winning is not gated by currency - how many builds not using the above list can actually win against you? Probably only the well geared fb/la/br, and those are all ranged/caster.

But having said that, it's not a bad start.

I understand why u think this way, but ill explain why u should not n ur probably gonna understand pretty quickly.

Currency gated: u really think that those (high currency build) are not abusing every op/broken mechanic, they are only abusing them n making it worst, if u remove some of them yes gear would matter maybe a bit ( not that much compare to atm) more but it would be more fair intead of having to abuse the same mechanic over n over.

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Simplesim45 wrote:

I'd like to add the following:
- regen should have a % limit
- No legacy vinktar
- No infinite healing builds (scold's/eye of innonence/etc)

Im not up on all the latest builds so I have a few questions for you. What builds are abusing regen that you feel frost bomb is not a sufficient counter? Are those builds able to deal enough damage to someone whos playing more defensive/passively?

As for Leech I am under the impression that bloodless or an "enemies cannot leech life from you" corruption would be a solid counter?

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Ahfack wrote:

Assuming GGG does nothing to help us out I'd say a good starting point would be:

no writhing jar flask

no Beacon of Corruption Ascendancy passive

Im wondering what builds use writhing jar outside of HOT that you feel are too OP while using the flask?

Also I would say beacon of corruption is iffy. Sure it can be really strong but only against non CI builds and secondly im pretty sure you can leech from minions I know i've stood in an srs cloud as a life build with arc + vinktars and lololololed all over some srs guy in the arena.

i agree with the no legacy vinktar, i think that 1 use is more then enough for this flask, what i would have done is the same number on it with insta leech but only 1 use.

With the changes to flask recharge (which honestly we'd avoid almost entirely anyway by banning pathfinder), I don't think writhing jar flask would be an issue.

@Dethklok; Old man's fire trap build had such ridiculous life regen from what I remember (might not be him). Some of the melee guys stacking the living hell out of regen who can come in, fight you for a few seconds and leap slam out to regen to full really fast and just keep doing that over and over.

Healing mechanics in general are just really unhealthy. Leech should be the cornerstone of healing (with only a single charge of vinktar. Speaking of which, might wanna limit vinktars to 1?). That way you're forced to engage in the fight in order to heal up. If you want to heal out of combat, it would come down to flasks.

If you look at ES for example, the drawback of ES regen not starting if you've taken damage recently is a lot more interesting. It's something you can play around with. Apply a weak ignite to give yourself time between pokes, etc. It's interactive.

Stupid ass fucking regen isn't interactive. It's like "Oh I played like a retard? Doesn't matter!"

Melee vs Aegis is manageable, it s tempest shield + aegis that fuck everything (unless some new op shit been done with aegis without tempest i am not aware off).

I would not cancel 1h users/casters to use aegis, just the combination aegis+ tempest+ infinite es regen.

I guess aegis melee blocker + 1h eq/flurry can be problematic. I don t mind EQ/flurry to be forbidden until T value is put on them.

I disagree. Aegis is a problem. Tempest shield just makes it worse.