[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

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Nephalim wrote:

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DicemanX wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

The added fire damage from physical is basically the same dps 1-40 lightning damage for a high legacy reach and 1.5% more dps with BT.

Don't understand the whoop.

It's more than 1.5% dps on BT. The affix adds an extra 10K dps, which is more than what any other damage affix could provide.

A 1-62 lightning damage affix provides an extra 3K dps on BT.

How did you get those metrics?

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DicemanX wrote:

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Yuutindio wrote:

edit* I forgot smt. You said steel rings are a bad coice. Let try to explain my thoughts on this. I've played this raider as a frost blader. Was fine to a certain point. For me as "noobish"-player i followed mathil building. Mathil went for opal rings and had dps issues in the late game. Shortly after mathil's build, Invalesco posted his "frost blader shaper kill" - the differnt between both is, mathil stacked/built around elemental dmg, where Invalesco stacked physical dmg.

As far is i understand this build here, is to get high physical and convert it into elemental dmg - like Invalescos frost blader. So i choosed steel rings and tryed to get more physical dmg.

It's actually not possible to compare Opal and Steel Rings this way, because the best choice is highly dependent on your gear and passives.

Every type of damage scaling in this game experiences diminishing returns, and as a general rule of thumb it is better to equalize each type of multiplier rather than inflate one multiplier at the expense of another. For instance, multiplying 100 damage by 1.5 and 1.5 is slightly better than multiplying 100 damage by 1.4 and 1.6, and significantly better than multiplying 100 damage by 1.1 and 1.9.

Steel Rings tend to be a *lot* better when your flat physical damage is relatively low, so they are very good ring bases to use for an Opus for instance, or a low pdps Harbinger. Once you transition to higher pdps Harbingers, the value of the Steel Ring implicit is reduced, and Opal Rings tend to get stronger.

In other words when you go through gear progression, keep checking the Opal, Steel, and even Diamond ring bases to see which one gives you the best dps boost. Just be wary of checking Diamond Rings, because the game doesn't seem to handle tooltip dps calculations very well when crit is involved, and crit is also tied up with mob evasion which complicates matters. If you're up for it, you can always do calculations by hand to determine how good a Diamond implicit is relative to the other ring implicits.

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Nephalim wrote:

DicemanX is the only build so far I've seen where T1 flat phys > T1 flat lightning damage on rings because he scaled physical damage much higher than the average BT user.

Even with that said, Opal rings give much more dps than Steel rings on his build.
3.1% vs 1.9% with diamond rings giving 1.2%. There are very very few players with the gear level he has so it's hard for me to imagine any similar build where steel > opal or diamond > opal.

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Rupenus wrote:

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Nephalim wrote:

DicemanX is the only build so far I've seen where T1 flat phys > T1 flat lightning damage on rings because he scaled physical damage much higher than the average BT user.

Even with that said, Opal rings give much more dps than Steel rings on his build.
3.1% vs 1.9% with diamond rings giving 1.2%. There are very very few players with the gear level he has so it's hard for me to imagine any similar build where steel > opal or diamond > opal.

for tooltip

its opal > diamond > steel,

mostly because, steel ring 4-14 is just 9 pdps, and best bow is 608 pdps, so when you compare the dps addition from steel, it does only play a small role for calculation of X-Y.

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Rupenus wrote:

we tested with skalpo,

new opal gives +5k better dps than this ring,(200k base tooltip, so it was getting 205k with this new ring) - basically chimeric finger got dethroned by new opal.

diamond bases give better dps than steel rings in every test i did so far, opal's have better tooltip results, diamond bases have more general use.

just talking about tooltip dps.