Commandment of Winter

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

You have no idea what your talking about. I never used legacy GS. copying magma orb fireball? Man you sound salty af. Have you even played against me in sarn? Probably not, too busy on forums complaining. No ones fireball is like mine. Really doubt markusz will EVER have the firepower I have with cwc. Hes more like one of the dudes abusing cwc and the reason it got nerfed. No dps investment all tankyness. I am almost all dps and AoE investment. No one has a fireballer like me, its funny that you think you know what your talking about. "You 2 use Cwc and fireball/magma orb, You copied his build". If only there was enough skills in this game for each individual to have their own skill and build. GGG please make 15 million more skills fast.

If you arent complaining about zerphis you dont know shit about the current meta. If y ou think winter is even close to top 3 PvP breaking mechanics you dont pvp. No one is sitting in the center of sarn kill everyone with winter but theres quite a few players playing ONE BUILD WHICH IS. STOP BY AND CHECK SOMETIME M8.

whatever lol,

Winter is broken, you lie saying it s not. you pass less time in LLD because none is playing anymore there, well if you keep bullshiting to protect broken builds/skills soon it will be same for HLD (I know it s already a desert but soon even the russians will stop playing lol).

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

No ones fireball is like mine. Really doubt markusz will EVER have the firepower I have with cwc.

That's very likely true in terms of gear quality, and yes I will probably never do CWC again, because I think self cast is better, for now, like the exact copy of harley's fireballer without the crit.

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

No dps investment all tankyness. I am almost all dps and AoE investment. No one has a fireballer like me

You must be thinking about the Aegis build, but he meant the Cheese build, which is indeed very similar, but you heavily overgeared me, still the mechanics are the same and the choices are limited and kinda straightforward for a full on glasscannon build. My main setup was having high ES items, but I had all the glassy swaps too, which with I had around 4k ES, and whatever dps, I didn't make much effort for getting new gear, just used whatever I found in stash. The ideal gear is +2 skin, 2 of the 3 viable negative cast speed items, sambar with spell, added fire, bcr, %fire dmg and crit chance (rolling the first two is good enough most of the time because crafted %fire and crit is not too far from top rolls), all the obvious enchants, penetration belt, fire dmg opals, and if you have very very low ES anyway then ignore stun immunity and get %fire essenced spell amulet or xoph. Jewels were easy choice GS before 3.0, but it's harder to get now, and the tree is different, but still very limited mod options, generic spell, dual wield spell, fire, area or proj. You put fb jewels and whatever you have in all the 2 and 3 cost sockets, and if you still have more 4-stat jewels you can go for some 4-cost sockets, otherwise just pick the leftover damage nodes. Purposely avoid all cast speed nodes, and don't need crit, so generic <tags-that-apply> damage nodes are picked up.

I don't mean to strengthen anybody in who copied who accusations, because imo all claims for credits and copypastas are stupid. I honestly don't care about originality, because there is a huge chance someone is already did whatever build you play, and many of us can figure out whole builds anyway on our own, with very similar optimal choices.

Even if you are the last player left playing cwc who can squeeze out viable amount of damage, "no one is like me" type of claims sound very cocky unless you brag about gear, which for there is the HLD porn thread.

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robmafia wrote:

also, if one is dual wielding sambars... i'm going to take a guess that they're primary damage sources will outweigh winter by a stupid margin.

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Márkusz wrote:

If anything, sambar implicit is more in favor of the winter rather than the primary skill in a build

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robmafia wrote:

you guys are actually implying that the point of dual wielding is to deal more damage at the expense of defense? that's just crazytalk!

You seemed to completely miss the point here, adding x amount of generic penetration, like the sambar implicit, will give more percentage damage to winter than to a main skill, because the main skill has damage-specific penetration from support gem, which winter can never have, so the dominishing returns on the main skill will be always stronger, or equal in case you only stack generic global penetration.

But since penetration is not the only scaling factor, your guess is rather disproved by multiple players claming winter is usually stronger than the main skills they are used in pair with, even if you are an exception to this perception.

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robmafia wrote:

and ffs, i don't use negative cast speed. i think this forum should be renamed to complaints.

I didn't imply in any way you do, I actually guessed you don't, that's why I mentioned it, because you could benefit from it.

What the fuck is happening in this thread? You guys are off the rails. Winter is stupidly broken for what it is, but yes it's not the most broken thing in PvP.

-Chaos DoT against life builds because we truly lack a viable item swap/investment to counter it even past 75 chaos resists.

-Bleed/Ignite are over tuned now but there are viable counters, hard counters even. Thus not even worth mentioning because only lazy fuckers will lose to this.

-Zerphi's is still really stupid

-AoE overlap still a thing

-Glove enchants, a few of them are problematic. Multiple projectiles, AoE overlap, near non existent investment and is augmented in ways they really shouldn't be. If you have a spell/elemental damage on your tree/gear you're doing 50-100% of someones life with this regardless of your build. Even if you aren't playing, even if you have no idea you even had the shit enchanted to your gloves at all. You could be sitting there herpy derpy firing your attacks off thinking you're king of the hill but you probably didn't do shit at all, your glove enchant killed the guy 9:10 times.

You guys can resume pissing in each other's faces now.

Markusz u played with legacy GS, I never did. I have 6 +2 skins to choose from, only use 3 for cwc, heavily overgear you is an understatement. You may understand the basics of my build but I dont think u came even 50% close to the min/maxing I did, and u had legacy GS. At this point it sounds like u just had a low tier CWC char that was relying on bypassing the T value to do absurd damage with 13 Legacy grand spectrum. I also have the only 40% fireball 100% scolds and the only 30% reduced LW 100% scolds around. I also carry a +1 850 ES chest with me. My entire inventory is filled with swaps. Most people tell me I should go elementalist or some other bs because they have n idea about my build. Btw I dont use negative cast speed other than scolds which I only use for 140% damage and self triggered winter. I have 4 other helms I swap out to change my build dramatically as well.

As for my jewels, I dont think you should really compare your build to me when I did ACTUAL work to get my jewels. Its not a matter of having currency to buy them, theres NONE on the market yet I managed to FIND 7 of them. Not saying you are saying you had the same build as me but it sounded a bit like you thought u were closer than you actually were. Your build was the watered down build that GGG got rid of, mine is pure unadulterated damage built by scouring the earth for the best CWC gear to overcome GGG's nerf.

The main reason I went CWC is to avoid mana cost and cast speed on gear. Using a lvl 28 fireball for 0 mana cost is pretty insane. Since I dont need mana, I can also use more OP flasks. I know it would have made my build 3x more spendy going for selfcast. I honestly dont think you have a clue markusz, you are saying I can get a better build going selfcast? Ya maybe for an additional 5 mirrors but this build kills everything and I dont need more damage, I need more survivability which I will hardly get as selfcast and a HUGEEEEE investment.

My whole point in talking about winter is, its not priority. The amount of focus its getting is absurd compared to what people should be looking at.

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Head_Less wrote:

whatever lol,

Winter is broken, you lie saying it s not. you pass less time in LLD because none is playing anymore there, well if you keep bullshiting to protect broken builds/skills soon it will be same for HLD (I know it s already a desert but soon even the russians will stop playing lol).

As long as it keeps the cry babys like yourself on the forum and out of the arena, I will be happy.

its definitely more entertaining than looking at your blank tree with all those unallocated passives XD

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

Markusz u played with legacy GS, I never did. I have 6 +2 skins to choose from, only use 3 for cwc, heavily overgear you is an understatement. You may understand the basics of my build but I dont think u came even 50% close to the min/maxing I did, and u had legacy GS. At this point it sounds like u just had a low tier CWC char that was relying on bypassing the T value to do absurd damage with 13 Legacy grand spectrum. I also have the only 40% fireball 100% scolds and the only 30% reduced LW 100% scolds around. I also carry a +1 850 ES chest with me. My entire inventory is filled with swaps. Most people tell me I should go elementalist or some other bs because they have n idea about my build. Btw I dont use negative cast speed other than scolds which I only use for 140% damage and self triggered winter. I have 4 other helms I swap out to change my build dramatically as well.

As for my jewels, I dont think you should really compare your build to me when I did ACTUAL work to get my jewels. Its not a matter of having currency to buy them, theres NONE on the market yet I managed to FIND 7 of them. Not saying you are saying you had the same build as me but it sounded a bit like you thought u were closer than you actually were. Your build was the watered down build that GGG got rid of, mine is pure unadulterated damage built by scouring the earth for the best CWC gear to overcome GGG's nerf.

The main reason I went CWC is to avoid mana cost and cast speed on gear. Using a lvl 28 fireball for 0 mana cost is pretty insane. Since I dont need mana, I can also use more OP flasks. I know it would have made my build 3x more spendy going for selfcast. I honestly dont think you have a clue markusz, you are saying I can get a better build going selfcast? Ya maybe for an additional 5 mirrors but this build kills everything and I dont need more damage, I need more survivability which I will hardly get as selfcast and a HUGEEEEE investment.

My whole point in talking about winter is, its not priority. The amount of focus its getting is absurd compared to what people should be looking at.

So all that you got you are so proud of is scaling the numbers higher and higher? You talk about legacy GS as a so bad ugly thing, but it gives the same bonus as you get on your gear elsewhere, just more and more increased damage.

Again if you just want to brag about gear you can go to hld thread, you can look at the moguls, you will find your competition, but stating gear acquiring difficulties as the achievement of your build is the silliest thing I read here recently. Everyone puts big amount of time and effort into their builds, why do you think you are so duffrent? you sat on poe.trade looking for those jewels for an extra 100 hours? You farmed your gear and currency for an extra 1000 hours?

If you think the higher numbers make you so superior no one can imagine, let it be your enjoyment, but as I see you got nothing special, nothing new, nothing unique, just higher numbers, same build as I explained.

I didn't suggest for you personally to try a self cast version, It would require a lot of change as you said, but for anyone still minmaxing, that is the better option, and for the same cost, or even lower, no incredible investment needed at all. Jewels are much easier to get, you are not limited to 5-6 mods, you can get cast speed mods.

We have PoB, both versions can be easily tested, this build is all about damage numbers anyway, it's just a matter of time I don't feel worth atm, and the results will be conclusive, so whatever secrets you think you have left, I can detail it all the way down if you insist I am the clueless one, but I thought you rather keep your build details for yourself.

If you don't use Doedre gloves in a full glass CWC build, you are losing out on a lot of dps you won't see in tooltip or PoB, you have to know the formula to grasp it, or just read what I wrote months ago for anyone lazy to make calculations for their fully min-maxed build. It's a BiS item, especially for it's cost, unless you really need some non-damage stats in that slot.

Well I dont use wands for proj speed and I use winds of change for proj speed with sambars, a much better combo than your build imo. Proj speed from winds of change is more important than a lil extra dps from doedres gloves, I have tested them. I like winds of change soooooo much more. I have 3 pairs of near perfect modern doedres clocking 60% spell damage, as well as the legacy versions with curse on hit. I tested over and over, I like winds of change way more.

All I am proud of is scaling numbers higher and higher? All you were proud of was exploiting a really cheap build abusing CWC pre nerf with pretty bad gear. Its obvious that the build needing nerfing if you can get away using the gear you are using on it. Our gear choices were far different but hey man we both use CWC, so I guess its the same build XDXD, are you fuckin serious? I am proud of my build because it survived the cwc nerf and is still dominating like I said it would. How do you know shit about CWC and Self cast when you dont even have the gear to test out the top end of cwc? Seriously you dont even have half the gear to test it t know fully which is better in which area, I feel like u are just salty and trying to get credit where it absolutely isnt deserved.