GhazzyTV - THE Spectre Summoner [LOW & HIGH BUDGET VERSIONS]

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lunshea wrote:

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DTD_Hiro wrote:

First off, having a great time with this build, so thank you.

My biggest issue is that I am not able to get any Solar Guard specters from any map. I get them from Harbour Bridge (lv 60) and that's it.

I've done most of the maps on the list and none of these have had Solar Guards nor were they able to be summoned by Desecrate.

I have run 10 maps with the "solar" modifier and those maps ONLY have Solar Elementals, never Solar Guards. And I was never able to desecrate a Solar Guard after over hundreds of tries, including when I already had Guards from the normal story areas.

As far as I can tell, there is no way to get higher level Solar Guards. Fortunately, the level 60 ones are fairly tanky until tier 12 or so.

Any advice to fix this?

I've picked up mine from Solaris Temple and the maps on the list (op) rarely fail for me. I always pick up 4 from Solaris T, go to map, desecrate until first Guard is there, then I remove all specters by picking the gem out and start to desecrate/raise the new ones :)

I desecrate in solaris temple to get 1 spectre, then proceed to map like shaped temple or plaza/bazaar to raise all 4. You don't need to raise 4 of them at the beginning, just 1 to add it to the pool of corpses.

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mattc3303 wrote:

@DTD_Hiro.

Here is my video guide on how to desecrate properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQarQBWbrY

Thank you for posting, I am familiar with how the desecrate table works and despite seeing you do this, I have never been able to make it work. Without fail I will only get solar elementals, never ever guards despite getting them from the zones they naturally inhabit and then going and desecrating in maps. the only thing I am doing different than you, as far as I can tell, is I dont use echo on desecrate, and I ten to get them from the harbour bridge zone as it's 1 level higher. Neither of these things should have any impact, but what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Additionally, I guess I could try it with a map that isn't on the list from the build as that should be putting the desecrate table to the test.

Thanks again.

Hmmm try grabbing solar elementals from Solaris temple instead of harbor bridge. I have heard rumors the harbor mobs are bugged when it comes to desecration table. At least it was in beta.

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DTD_Hiro wrote:

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mattc3303 wrote:

@DTD_Hiro.

Here is my video guide on how to desecrate properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUQarQBWbrY

Thank you for posting, I am familiar with how the desecrate table works and despite seeing you do this, I have never been able to make it work. Without fail I will only get solar elementals, never ever guards despite getting them from the zones they naturally inhabit and then going and desecrating in maps. the only thing I am doing different than you, as far as I can tell, is I dont use echo on desecrate, and I ten to get them from the harbour bridge zone as it's 1 level higher. Neither of these things should have any impact, but what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Additionally, I guess I could try it with a map that isn't on the list from the build as that should be putting the desecrate table to the test.

Thanks again.

Do you have high-enough lvl of desecrate? I don't think they are in the pool if your desecrate is too low lvl. From experience speaking, I can always tell where they are spawning by the act that the map is created in, basically any map resembling act 3 should have solar guards.

Ok, follow up. Was able to get Guards. did a Ramparts map that happened to have a Coward's Trial via Zana. The coward's Trial let me summon guards but not the Rampart, which I don't believe is on the list?

So perhaps an astonishingly long run of bad luck?

You know most people have exalted orbs RNG. I think you have some weird spectre RNG. I think you should give chris wilson a call on his direct line and tell him to turn your RNG up a dial.

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DTD_Hiro wrote:

Ok, follow up. Was able to get Guards. did a Ramparts map that happened to have a Coward's Trial via Zana. The coward's Trial let me summon guards but not the Rampart, which I don't believe is on the list?

So perhaps an astonishingly long run of bad luck?

Idk it happened to me on shaped temple map, for 5 min straight i couldnt get a solar guard, but the whole rotation of corpses were telling me I weren't going to find any (no flame sentinels either, even tho they should've spawned on that tile imo)

So I guess its not always guaranteed based on some mods or bad luck.

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antyone wrote:

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lunshea wrote:

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DTD_Hiro wrote:

First off, having a great time with this build, so thank you.

My biggest issue is that I am not able to get any Solar Guard specters from any map. I get them from Harbour Bridge (lv 60) and that's it.

I've done most of the maps on the list and none of these have had Solar Guards nor were they able to be summoned by Desecrate.

I have run 10 maps with the "solar" modifier and those maps ONLY have Solar Elementals, never Solar Guards. And I was never able to desecrate a Solar Guard after over hundreds of tries, including when I already had Guards from the normal story areas.

As far as I can tell, there is no way to get higher level Solar Guards. Fortunately, the level 60 ones are fairly tanky until tier 12 or so.

Any advice to fix this?

I've picked up mine from Solaris Temple and the maps on the list (op) rarely fail for me. I always pick up 4 from Solaris T, go to map, desecrate until first Guard is there, then I remove all specters by picking the gem out and start to desecrate/raise the new ones :)

I desecrate in solaris temple to get 1 spectre, then proceed to map like shaped temple or plaza/bazaar to raise all 4. You don't need to raise 4 of them at the beginning, just 1 to add it to the pool of corpses.

Earlier in this thread someone brought up a theory about the more guards you're bringing in to the map, the better your chance is for guards to be added to the desecrate table. I've started bringing 4 from Solaris since I read that, and I have a feeling it has improved my success rate :) ... probably just rng and superstition, but never the less...picking up 3 extra from Solaris takes me 1 minute ^^

Another wall of text!

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noXza wrote:

Hello there Gazzy!

Loving the build, first ever HC char and it is a lot of fun,

I am playing with the solar guards(they work very nicely) but i was wondering something,

In PoB is it possible to select these spectres to figure out the damage that they do?

As well as does the desecrate "bug" still work? i tried doing it but i couldn't get them to appear in a higher level area, it might have something to do with a low level desecrate(15).

Hey,

Cheers!

These spectres are currently unavailable via PoB... :/

Desecrate bug still works, I've listed the maps people have confirmed to see them. The desecrate must be in the lvl required to spawn the area lvl of corpses.

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hecta wrote:

How would a Tabula Rasa with +1 socketed gems rank against 5L Vis Mortis? Especially with lvl 21 Raise Spectre and Empower 3? Also which gem would be the most optimal to take out for 6L with Empower? CD?

Vis Mortis grants you 1 additional spectre which is a massive damage boost as well as area coverage making it tons better than any other chest piece, including a +1 Skin or Tabula. Spectres don't really benefit much from lvl of gems.

Which also means that Empower is a wasted gem slot for spectre builds! :)

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DTD_Hiro wrote:

First off, having a great time with this build, so thank you.

My biggest issue is that I am not able to get any Solar Guard specters from any map. I get them from Harbour Bridge (lv 60) and that's it.

I've done most of the maps on the list and none of these have had Solar Guards nor were they able to be summoned by Desecrate.

I have run 10 maps with the "solar" modifier and those maps ONLY have Solar Elementals, never Solar Guards. And I was never able to desecrate a Solar Guard after over hundreds of tries, including when I already had Guards from the normal story areas.

As far as I can tell, there is no way to get higher level Solar Guards. Fortunately, the level 60 ones are fairly tanky until tier 12 or so.


Any advice to fix this?

My pleasure, glad you like it!

Harbour Bridge seems to have a worse chance in spawning them in maps, which is why I removed it from the list in the guide.

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mattc3303 wrote:

@DTD_Hiro.

Here is my video guide on how to desecrate properly.


I apologize to Ghazzy about plugging my own channel in his thread but this is the quickest way to explain.

The guide has a link to my own video explaining this.

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Guys, regarding the desecrate bug there's a few things to keep in mind:

1) It's a bug, never guaranteed to work
2) Harbour Bridge doesn't seem to have a high probability of generating them via Desecrate in maps so I removed the information of this area from the guide
3) The more spectres you bring in to the map the higher the probability of spawning them, this has been confirmed.

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3) The more spectres you bring in to the map the higher the probability of spawning them, this has been confirmed.

This is news to me. How exactly did one test this? O.o? RNG is still RNG your saying if I desecrate and summon all 4 solar guards from Solaris temple then bring them to a map my odds of getting solar guards is much higher?