[outdated] Caustic Arrow Solo Map MFer (20/300+)

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Serleth wrote:

As of 2.1 I would have said that a 2.5-3m clear speed build running T13s+ could generate similar currency to an MFer

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hankinsohl wrote:

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Serleth wrote:

As of 2.1 I would have said that a 2.5-3m clear speed build running T13s+ could generate similar currency to an MFer

If you were able to easily sustain T13 maps, I'd say yeah, this is (was) true.

But to sustain a T13+ map pool you're chiseling, alching, chaosing for high IIQ and pack size and likely throwing in some sacrifice fragments (and I also Vaal at this point). So you've likely sunk 3+ chaos into your T13 before you even start to run it. And some of those T13 maps will have really tough mods, making 3m clear speed (especially given that you're picking up stuff... going back to your hideout... selling it... etc.) very tough indeed.

To wit.. last league, Havoc was dead broke at 100. I think this was true of many players pushing high levels.

Just my 2c... but running T13+ maps for me has always seemed like a break-even proposition at best.

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Serleth wrote:

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Since I never seem to play Standard these days (I sometimes test build concepts in Standard, but that's about it), I think my Standard tabs are doomed to eternal disorganization, LOL.

That's basically what I use Standard for as well, but also if I find a league to be particularly underwhelming (Talisman, Rampage), I end up in Standard and I just work on rebuilding my currency, if I'm not actually fucking around with build concepts.

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Does anyone know if there's a sure-fire or best way to get a Vaal Temple map?

It's just a T13 vaal. Anything you read about a guaranteed vaal temple was just trolling.

As Piros mentioned though, just pay for the entry, or be patient and constantly run high maps to vaal all your T13s.

That said, gratz on getting to 36 (mostly) solo.

I count rotations as a solo effort, in terms of challenge clears, btw. Because there's technically no benefit / advantage to running parties other than sharing challenge completions.

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so currently I'm looking for an MF build which has the speed and capability to 1 hit stuff and move at like 80% movespeed or so.

You may as well ask for a sentient astrophysicist unicorn with an elephant trunk.

No MF build one-hits anything. The only way that happens is crit builds, and if you go crit, you just don't have the ability to MF and sustain your damage.

The reason is simple: diamond rings are a requirement for crit builds. Which means no Ventors, no Andvarius.

In addition, the other typical uniques you use (Maligaro's, Rat's Nest) means that res balance as a major issue. Can't exactly wear Andvarius, or mediocre Ventor's, when you have a minimum two other slots taking up your resistances. Oh, and then your crit quiver automatically takes up two suffixes that can't be used for resistances. Etc., so forth.

So, sorry to say, you're not going to get that clear speed AND be able to MF. You pick one or the other.

With the possible exception of RF / Bladefall Totems, this is probably the fastest MF build you're going to get that maintains defensive balance, damage, and survivability.

You can, however, always split the difference: sacrifice one slot for quantity (gloves or boots), and then just IIR on whatever rare pieces you are using, and IIR in your 6L. You'll still eat a significant amount of damage loss sheerly on the basis of dropping your 6L gem for IIR, but you should be able to get 16-20 IIQ / 150 IIR. Won't be as effective as it could get for damage, nor will it be as effective for MFing as a build with numbers such as mine, but... could be what you're looking for.

Problem is it still won't one-hit things in higher maps. I've run Voltaxic LA and learned you really do need to maximize your gear for damage output in order to get it done where it just decimates everything. Maligaro's & Rat's Nest, WED belt, crit/wed rings, crit/wed amulet, crit/wed quiver, etc. Dropping any one of those is like murdering 20% of your possible damage output.

Drop anything more than one of those and you won't even one-hit things in lower level maps. The damage cut is too severe.

So your decision comes down to

a) Recognizing that if you want to MF, or dps (and by dps, I mean murderously fast crit clear speeds), in the more efficient manners possible, you need to pick one, and not try to do both.
b) Accepting that if you do decide to try split the difference, you're drastically going to lower your potential efficiency in BOTH MF'ing and clear speed.

I mean hell, even this build takes a damage cut for IIR. It's just less significant because it's non-crit.


As for MS, Raider means you're saccing a lot of damage or other defensive capabilities just in order to acquire movespeed.

Which, by the way, you're over-prioritizing. The only time you really need the extra move speed is between packs, and a lot of the time you're stopping to pick things up anyway. Hence, dual quicksilver.

Your best option if you want to increase your move speed, which I'll reiterate is largely unnecessary (I keep up with virtually EVERYBODY in Zana rotations except high-attack-speed whirling blades users, and I use Goldwyrm; and I outpace almost everybody in Haku rotations) is to change to Sadima's Touch and run 30% MS boots.

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Serleth wrote:

Comes down to more than just straight mapping, obviously.

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Nyxy wrote:

The damage capability of Caustic Arrow comes mainly from 6L and jewels am I right? Most of your gear can be built towards MF? Theres no such thing as crit MF Caustic arrow, so why is it that you can't 1 hit anything? From the videos posted, all I see is him shooting 1 arrow and moving very slowly, then proceeding to loot stuff. I don't need ridiculous amounts of IIR/IIQ especially in temp leagues where you can't get IIQ. I'm only trying to find a fairly safe build that can run lots of mods, have like 100+IIR and 30 IIQ or so, hoping that it will give me more map drops because RNG is never on my side.

Is that not possible at all? A 25k caustic tooltip will 1 shot all whites, most blues and maybe 3 shot rares? I'm not too sure because the last time I did Caustic arrow was when the skill was still called Poison Arrow

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You may as well ask for a sentient astrophysicist unicorn with an elephant trunk.

Year i also ask for such a pet. What is the recipe for it? Or must i vall a item

pls serleth tell me the secret behind this pet :-)