Ball Lightning
"Yes. Like Lightning arrow, Ball Lightning deals individual, non-area damage separately to each thing in range, but the range itself is an area. "From here: " Last edited by Mark_GGG#0000 on Jul 6, 2014, 6:32:31 PM
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It moves too fast. If one takes into account that the nemies are coming at the caster and the ball from the caster, the time in which enemies are being hit is very small indeed.
Couple that with no more multiplier support (no conc effect) and very small damage when compared with other spells (which can use the conc effect) it just seems not usable late game. Hope I'm wrong. Looks like it has the same problem old arc had, different mechanics from other spells (inability to support for real damage boon) and lower damage with insane mana cost. IGNs GroovyBeard JooJooFromTheWell Last edited by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jul 4, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
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" Slower proj isn't mandatory once you reach enough cast speed. Doesn't help for me at least. My gem is only lvl 17 (19 thx to empower) and it only starts to get "ok" in damage. Single target DPS is terrible tho. Thanks for the clear summary Mark ! Maker of ZeeL's Amplifier.
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" Isn't that the whole point of the concerns? It does too little damage so you have to use multiple casts against white enemies, which is a bad sign and will probably mean that the skill is not viable end game. IGNs GroovyBeard JooJooFromTheWell Last edited by Allnamestaken#7661 on Jul 4, 2014, 7:43:25 AM
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" I'm not judging or comparing the skill yet as i wanna wait till i got a 20/20 one to have an equal comparison. But yeah, i admit that so far, it's not really promising ^_^ Maker of ZeeL's Amplifier.
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So here is the major problem with Ball Lightning.
Take this case as an example: Take a level 11 Arc vs a level 10 Ball lightning, Both require level 49 to use. Arc does 18 - 336 (177) dmg per cast BL does 4 - 71 ( 37.5) dmg per cast. Assuming that both spells cast at the same speed. Let us allocate a cast speed of 0.5 seconds. Arc manages 344 dmg per second on a single target and 1720 on 5 (Max). Ball lightning However BL zaps every 200ms, so we can increase it's dmg per cast on a single mob by 2.5 times. (93.75) will be the average dmg on a single mob. So it deals 27% as much dmg as ARC does on a single target. While requiring 18.3 or so tightly packed mobs to break even on the max dmg per cast that Arc can manage. In most situations getting those 18+ mobs together requires some leashing and grouping. A pack that size and that tightly packed is pretty rare without kiting and positioning. Arc on the other hand, simply smart casts and seeks out the targets that it needs. Zero grouping is required. It even zaps around corners and behind you in a single cast, where BL would need to be turned and cast in that direction. Now level 21 arc will chain 6 times to hit a total of 7 targets. If the cast time stays the same. 493.5 average dmg per cast. 987 dps on one target. 6909 on 7 targets. A level 21 BL will do 97 average dmg per cast 194 dps on one target (19% of Arc's single target, so it is scaling badly) Require 36! targets tightly packed to equal Arc's AOE capabilities. The scaling is horrible, it has no shotgunning capabilities, it has a harsher dmg effectiveness penalty and underperforms in both single and aoe situations compared to Arc. If the dmg is going to stay this low it needs to shotgun at least. If the shotgun is going to remain disabled, it needs a radius buff, a dmg buff and a dmg scaling that is more in line with other spells. |
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Would added lightning damage make any difference at all to BL?
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Everyone of these threads need the skill linked -.-
too late for 1st page ... @previous poster: 30% dmg effectiveness - damage supports won't help a lot Forums are SOOO much fun on patch day! Casuals play because it's fun, not to achieve any goal unreachable with their resources. We are playing for the next difficulty, the next keystone, the next item upgrade. Not to feel better than anyone else. Last edited by Fhedaykin#5157 on Jul 4, 2014, 1:15:11 PM
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" No, that's up to 194 damage per 0.2 seconds, or 970 if the target was to stay in range for a full second. Being more conservative, it can probably hit thrice pretty often, so 582 single target dps. Groups would break even at a bit under 12 targets. Damage effectiveness is arguably better on lightning ball, it only needs two ticks to become greater than arc (2x30% VS 50%). Arc is still likely superior most of the time, but it doesn't seem horrible, statistically speaking. The biggest downside seems to be the inability (or difficulty) to shock targets. Last edited by QcRevo#7786 on Jul 4, 2014, 1:17:54 PM
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It's true that shocking is pretty hard with BL. However, a really good point to it is the radius.
Currently have this : http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAAnEC4wSzBVsHYwelCPQUTRZvGYUaOBpsHNwelB8CJDwkqiepKU8snDGINsU26TvhPAU9X0SrRnFG10lRSbJSU1WuVcZWLVcrWm1dxmBtZ71tGW-ec1N2EXi6eQN-WX6vf8aCEIIegpuDCYM4i3qLjI9Gj6aQVZMnm6Gdrp97n9-iAKKjpwinK6dcp4SsP6x_tAy1BMBUwbTB88M6ykrPZdDQ2CTa3dsL3Ffd89-w4XPi9-Nq5CLk7Ow47SDub-98890= Using a 20/20 increase AOE and i prettu much never need to cast on several directions to hit the whole pack in front of me. The damage tho is really bad compared to arc obviously but i can solo lvl 70 maps without trouble with a lvl 17 gem. It's the max i can do tho. While in team i just switch to arc because it does everything better. Fun skill but so far, not in line with arc. Maybe we're missing something but i pretty much tried every support gem i could think of and nothing better than my current setup. Maybe building more toward proj damage could help but i don't see it being more efficient as spell damage. Maker of ZeeL's Amplifier.
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