Promoting RMT in YouTube Videos - Zero Consequences

How many times should you have to report someone for promoting RMT on their YouTube content before they get banned/GGG go after them? RMT is against terms of service, so I'm really failing to understand why it's okay for them to produce content that so blatantly includes it?

I'm asking the question because I have reported this gentleman to support on 2-3 seperate occasions over a period of months and I get the typical support email (they are just doing their job I get it) and obviously nothing happens.

Last report was made on March 30th, I think around the time [Removed by Support] drama happened.

Content creators on YouTube flouting your Terms of Service with the partners they choose for advertising aren't a good look for the game at all.

There is nothing GGG can do about it, as they have no authority over content posted outside of their own platform.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

There is nothing GGG can do about it, as they have no authority over content posted outside of their own platform.

I mean they banned Jenubu. Is there a reason you think they have no authority? They can ban anyone whenever they want, without recourse lol. They don't need a reason to terminate your account or ban you, it's completely up to them. If they saw someone pushing RMT in a Youtube video they def could ban him.

Don't know why you think this isn't the case, as we've had it happen multiple times just in PoE, but this has happened across all of gaming numerous times.

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rrogan17#2926 wrote:

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

There is nothing GGG can do about it, as they have no authority over content posted outside of their own platform.

I mean they banned Jenubu. Is there a reason you think they have no authority? They can ban anyone whenever they want, without recourse lol. They don't need a reason to terminate your account or ban you, it's completely up to them. If they saw someone pushing RMT in a Youtube video they def could ban him.

Don't know why you think this isn't the case, as we've had it happen multiple times just in PoE, but this has happened across all of gaming numerous times.

Yeah but it's not like they can remove those vids from youtube

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imanubcake#2671 wrote:

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rrogan17#2926 wrote:

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

There is nothing GGG can do about it, as they have no authority over content posted outside of their own platform.

I mean they banned Jenubu. Is there a reason you think they have no authority? They can ban anyone whenever they want, without recourse lol. They don't need a reason to terminate your account or ban you, it's completely up to them. If they saw someone pushing RMT in a Youtube video they def could ban him.

Don't know why you think this isn't the case, as we've had it happen multiple times just in PoE, but this has happened across all of gaming numerous times.

Yeah but it's not like they can remove those vids from youtube

That is not true. Creators do not own the rights to the content they are streaming. If a dev sends Youtube a request to take down the videos they have to comply. This has happened countless times in the past, where devs/publishers have had content taken down. The actual owners of the IP can copyright strike it at any time they choose to. Devs don't though as it's good for business to have free marketing, so there is no reason to claim copyright normally.

If they wanted them down though they would come down, especially when violating ToS

are we allowed to say that word now ?

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rrogan17#2926 wrote:

I mean they banned Jenubu. Is there a reason you think they have no authority?

Yeah, and they banned Jenubu because the user actually breached their ToS, not because of something said on Discord. GGG has authority over what happens on their own platform, not over random conversations or actions happening elsewhere on the internet. Unless someone's actions directly violate their ToS on their platform, there’s realistically nothing for them to enforce in the first place.

If a user is actively involved in RMT or other bannable activities tied to the game and platform, then obviously GGG can take action because that directly breaches their rules. But if someone is just sharing opinions or saying things GGG dislikes outside of their platform, GGG ultimately can’t do much about it. There’s no clause saying you have to live under their ToS 24/7 across the entire internet, and enforcing something like that would be absurd anyway.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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rrogan17#2926 wrote:

I mean they banned Jenubu. Is there a reason you think they have no authority?

Yeah, and they banned Jenubu because the user actually breached their ToS, not because of something said on Discord. GGG has authority over what happens on their own platform, not over random conversations or actions happening elsewhere on the internet. Unless someone's actions directly violate their ToS on their platform, there’s realistically nothing for them to enforce in the first place.

If a user is actively involved in RMT or other bannable activities tied to the game and platform, then obviously GGG can take action because that directly breaches their rules. But if someone is just sharing opinions or saying things GGG dislikes outside of their platform, GGG ultimately can’t do much about it. There’s no clause saying you have to live under their ToS 24/7 across the entire internet, and enforcing something like that would be absurd anyway.

- GGG has authority over what happens on their own platform, not over random conversations or actions happening elsewhere on the internet -

Not true. GGG can ban you for any reason and even without one. You are not entitled to access for the game. I don't know why such a simple concept is so hard for people like you to understand. They don't need a reason or permission, they can just ban you. It's solely their right and legally they are allowed, as you agreed to them being in control when you created your account.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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rrogan17#2926 wrote:

I mean they banned Jenubu. Is there a reason you think they have no authority?

Yeah, and they banned Jenubu because the user actually breached their ToS, not because of something said on Discord. GGG has authority over what happens on their own platform, not over random conversations or actions happening elsewhere on the internet. Unless someone's actions directly violate their ToS on their platform, there’s realistically nothing for them to enforce in the first place.

If a user is actively involved in RMT or other bannable activities tied to the game and platform, then obviously GGG can take action because that directly breaches their rules. But if someone is just sharing opinions or saying things GGG dislikes outside of their platform, GGG ultimately can’t do much about it. There’s no clause saying you have to live under their ToS 24/7 across the entire internet, and enforcing something like that would be absurd anyway.

here is some more info so that you understand what I'm saying. If you'll google it you'll get the answer for yourself, but thinking they can't ban you for being toxic or bad for the community on another platform is dumb. They most certainly can.

Players do not own their Path of Exile accounts or items; they only license them.

Sole Discretion: The Terms of Use grant GGG sole discretion to end this license at any time.

No Cause Needed: They can terminate access without prior notice, explanation, or legal liability.

Hope this helps

It's true that they don't really have authority over what people do on completely separate platforms. And while they technically can issue bans on their own platform, they still have to be careful to respect consumer laws and unfair enforcement practices. A company can't just go "this guy looks bad on YouTube" and hand out bans to someone who hasn't actually violated their Terms of Service.

For example, someone on Discord could openly say they hate the company, throw around insults, and if you sent that to GGG moderation chances are nobody would really care, because it's outside their platform. Now do the exact same thing in-game or on the forums and moderation would very likely step in almost immediately because that's actually within their service and under their rules.

Same situation here. The guy is doing his thing on YouTube. YouTube is not part of GGG's platform, and if his actual PoE account is clean and he isn't advertising or breaking rules in-game or on the forums, then from GGG's side there simply isn't really a ToS violation to enforce against.

Also, almost every online game works on a licensed account system. That's not really there so companies can randomly ban people for fun, it's mainly so they legally retain control over the service itself and can cleanly shut it down whenever they want. If PoE ever stopped existing one day, they need the legal framework to terminate access to the service entirely. It would be an absolute legal nightmare to fully shut down an online service if every single user was considered the full owner of their account and permanent access rights.

While I agree nobody should really encourage that kind of stuff, the reality is GGG can't just start policing the entire internet over it. Realistically the best move is simply to not watch the creator if you don't like the content. And honestly, avoiding bait builds is probably a win anyway.